LABAN SA KORUPSYON at WOKEISM! Bishop Dennis Villarojo

00:02 - Panimula at Bokasyon
12:49 - Paglilingkod sa Simbahan at kay Cardinal Vidal
18:30 - Paggalang sa Banal na Sakramento (Eucharist at Communion)
23:46 - Pastoral Planning at Systematization
25:41 - Pananampalataya sa Gitna ng mga Kalamidad at Korupsyon
32:16 - Proteksyon sa mga Bata (Minor Abuse Prevention)
34:56 - Usapin ng Diborsyo at Kasagraduhan ng Kasal
39:35 - Environment at Mining
42:16 - Fake News at Social Media
46:02 - Secularism at Moral na Paninindigan
52:54 - Same-sex Marriage
54:13 - Interfaith Dialogue
57:15 - Papel ni Mama Mary sa Paghilom
1:07:00 - Paninindigan sa Katotohanan

Isang Powerful at napapanahong interview sa Istoryang Katoliko kasama si Most Rev. Dennis C. Villarojo, D.D. — ang kasalukuyang Obispo ng Diyosesis ng Malolos, dating personal secretary ni Cardinal Ricardo Vidal, at dating propesor ng pilosopiya.

Sa exclusive na usapang ito, buong lakas at pastoral na karunungan ni Bishop Dennis na ibinahagi ang mahahalagang aral mula sa kanyang mahabang paglilingkod bilang pari at obispo. Pinag-usapan niya nang direkta ang tunay na galang sa Eucharist (lalo na ang isyu ng pagtanggap nang nakaluhod at sa dila), ang laban laban sa korupsyon, ang panganib kapag nawawala ang consistency ng ating pananampalataya, ang papel ni Mama Mary sa paghilom ng bayan, at ang matatag na pag-asa na dapat nating panatilihin sa gitna ng mga hamon ngayon.

Hindi ito ordinaryong interview — ito ay tapat, malalim, at puno ng praktikal na karunungan tungkol sa pananampalataya, paggalang sa Banal na Sakramento, at paninindigan sa katotohanan sa panahong puno ng kalituhan.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 3:07

So it's then story and be lang isam uh matapang na pastole nang simba katholica. So make sure to like, subscribe, and share nyo itong intervenato. Thank you and God bless.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

There were some instances where I felt na I where I felt that there was the hand of God directing me. Like when we were about to graduate, I had uh chicken pox. And uh that was the time when I was also awaiting results from the seminary that I uh applied for.

SPEAKER_08 3:46

Uh uh.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

When I had that fever at the time in nilalagnataho, and then I was alone in the house. I missed all the fun that my classmates were having. Kasi patabus na yung school year, exams, just waiting for the graduation. And then suddenly the telegram came. And the telegram told me, oh, I passed the initial exams. And right then and there, the fever left. I mean, I I felt and pinag pawisa. Yes, yes. And so that was it. I took it as a sign that I was not the right track. I have seen uh certain uh instances where a somebody who kneels down and receives communion on the tongue is turned away. And it's very painful to see that because we know that the person is sincere and he or she wouldn't have done that if he or she had not recognized the real presence. And if you turn that person away, it's like saying your faith is wrong. You don't rightly uh revere or adore the Lord Blessed Sacrament. So alulang naman gase one of the reasons why uh some people turn away is out of out of convenience. Lang asiparang natata galan kan kasi mei luluho dun sakamupalang ibi biga yung uh host, yung blessed host. Of course, but uh we are the ones tayo or coming mga pari and for a time we thought na wala, itun natalaga. It's climbing change, it's uh it's a natural disaster, so we just have to bear it. Nung lumabasya, natumutok na merom palam mga projects yan na uh hindi ginawa or a substandard, then we feel uh betrayed. Not only that, because all along, if you observe projects being implemented from a layman's point of view, layman meaning indica engineer, dimo alam. Correct bagay na yan, pare kalang, pero being a layman in that regard, eparang sabimo, hindi yata da pa jahan, parak singualang epektu yan. Alam parang yu hab that inkling, pero nika makabag salita, kasi idi ka na experto at yun wala k ng ka alam alam jan. But now you realize tama palatalaga. Some of these projects are misplaced and walang walang malila. Bishop. My body, my choice. That's correct, actually. Your body, your choice. But don't consider that human being growing in your body as your body. It's no longer your body. Because genetically, that has been proven to be not your body. And that's a different human life that is growing. Now, you also have to to to to qualify your body, your choice. The word choice. Are you mature enough to make that choice? In the name of God, the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. But our Father, we ask the Holy Spirit to send us enlightenment and um an open heart may convey the message that comes from the gospel. Yes, that comes from your will. We ask this in the name of Jesus the Lord. Amen.

SPEAKER_05 7:33

Amen. In the name of Father, Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_04 7:37

Amen. Welcome Po Bishop Dennis Biliaroho. Sa ming program historian Catholic. Thank you for saying yes, Po Bishop. Salam Adin Adrian. Nagatu waga se bishop na um kahilalang apuka ni ni reb ni rev lance yun yang nahila la wungapucha. Uh, keng sinabiny na maka karilal.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

So excited up. Reverend lance uh was my uh former student sa seminaris. He was uh a college student uh mga terminology na yon, yung young discipleship discipleship stage, and then uh he he studied philosophy so uh na gigin professor for some time. So nagin teacher kataraga I taught in the seminary until until now ka se nagtu turupa na seminar. Ah nice ngito sa sa kamalolo Baka teaching. Teaching, I think, is part of the the work or the functions of a priest because a priest is also a teacher. He teaches the faith. I thought na philosophy as as have always been said, I Anchilia Theology, meaning it's uh introductory to theology. So that if you have the proper philosophy, you'd also have a proper theology. So I kept on uh that work, doing that work because I felt I felt that uh it is part of the the ministry of a priest.

SPEAKER_04 9:36

Since nankahila lagang mi brother no widora, targasibud se buana ding nyan dating pastor catholic. Uh talagang bini build up kanasarin na magaling kadona Bible teacher.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

I did not study the Bible in an in a more intensive manner. Uh kasi nang idina matalaga yun ang field. Pero being a priest, we study the Bible, of course. Of course, ituna man a part nan ministry nan pakapare, part di nang aik pagi cristiano, that we are we should be familiar with the word of God. Sebu ano katalaga.

SPEAKER_04 10:13

Alu makika sa sebu. So pa pana y na gin journey mosa pagapare, bahita pagpa pare n yung tinak mabohasun po.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

I think it start it started with the family because my family, especially my grandparents, were devout Catholics. Uh, to you must natawagna Catholicos, militant na Catholic, who were very proud of their being Catholic and who would uh respond to any uh attacks against uh the church, you know? And that's nice. Talagang nanin indigan. And then um I studied in University of San José Ricoletos under the Agustinian Recollects, and there uh it nurtured my vocation. Like I say, there was a curriculum, uh I mean school, where instead of merely giving us teaching us doctrines of the church, we had Bible sharing uh it in a classroom setting. So somehow it uh ignited in me the thirst for more. But it was never anything formal. Although we had retreats uh and recollections in the school. But uh nothing nothing special that I went through in order to discern my vocation. Although there were some instances where I felt uh I where I felt that there was the hand of God directing me. Like when uh we were about to graduate, I had uh chicken packs and uh that was the time when I was also awaiting results from the seminary that I uh applied for. Uh when I had that fever at the time in Ilalagnataho, and then I was alone in the house. I missed all the fun that my classmates were having. Kasi patabosna yung school year, exams, just waiting for the graduation. And then suddenly the telegram came, and the telegram told me, oh, I passed the initial exams. And right then and there the fever left. I mean, I I felt and pinag pawisa and pinang pawisa and I paran can't. And so that was it. I I took it as a sign that I was on the right track.

SPEAKER_04 12:45

And nung pak papari mo akilagain in our inordained um bishop. 1994.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

1994. Uh Cebu. Sasebu. Sasanto Nino Bay. No, Sabasa. At that time the cathedral was being renovated, so there were 19 of us uh for the archdiocese of Cebu. We were ordained in Guadalupe Church.

SPEAKER_04 13:09

Uh certain saints, bishop, nungika ying papare.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

None in particular, actually. But uh my family, uh usually led by my mother, would pray the rosary uh together as a family. We prefer the English badly matapos. Yes, yes, of course. It was requested to uh to do it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:01

Uh uh bishop, my ilan town can a ging paring. She was 21 years. 21 years. Uh uh.

SPEAKER_02 14:19

Of course, uh Ministry Kunon, I was with uh Cardinal Vidal, I was secretary to the bishop. But uh knowing full well the burden that a bishop carries, it's not it's out of your father nantegada cathedral, like, close father na kikita win visit.

SPEAKER_05 14:58

Yungsa we talked about the shrine. Oh, shrine, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

And he he was very grateful for the organization and all that he hosted it last week, last uh two to three weeks ago. It was successful thanks also to uh Father Nante and uh the priests who organized and coordinated uh the the event here about 700 more than 700 delegates. There are four national shrines. Okay. And uh I'm not sure now how many there are diocesan shrines. I think a total of twelve. I may be wrong, but I still have to count.

SPEAKER_04 15:47

Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. Manga diocesan shrines.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

Uhong cathedral current time. It's a basilica. Basilica. There are two basilicas. I think ten diocesan shrines.

SPEAKER_04 16:00

Uh yung mga na di lito. Pakti nagbang basilica anubapinakayba shrine ko?

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Well, uh a basilica has demanded from the Holy See. Uh yung national shrine or diocesan shrine, dito lang yan, we just uh designate it as a special place uh of devotion for a particular saint or a or a title of the Lord. So uh May mandate talag basilica from the Vatican. Indulgence. Yes, but it's not perpetual now. Every time you go to a basilica, you get indulgence. It's it's it's a bit uh of a burden and uh trepidation. You instantly say yes, but we were given a chance to pray over it, to think over it. But uh for me naman, it's it it was part of the vocation. You say yes initially uh for me whatever the Lord gives in relation to that vocation, it's part of the call.

SPEAKER_04 17:27

That's another surprise.

SPEAKER_02 17:33

Yeah, a lot of questions that you ask, but in the end you just have to say yes and entrust yourself to God's will. Yeah, uh bishop from Cebu Tu. Not really, because I do. Um I was with Cardinal Vidal, my archbishop then, who was Tagalog, who was from Marinduque, and uh uh the the sisters that uh that uh uh assist him in the residence were from either Lucena or Kezon. So they were Tagalog. So I I was with him for about 14 years. And he is uh uh foreign to me.

SPEAKER_04 18:17

Yeah. Kase my makal a loose struggle sa nin tagalog. Mas madaling vish.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

It's still a struggle. It always will be a struggle, but it's surmountable na man.

SPEAKER_04 18:31

And bishop, uh actually me na pa no da ko homey. Alam kuparan juring kasaxag pandemic to nabi msay sa n home li bayun, or I don't know kon conference, nasabi mo na hindi da patang communion na naka lood sa de la. So ano ping da hila nyo dito.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

Ga meeting ang pakakataang ito, lay minister, mga kapari and ka pakag maita o na luluhod atapanaho ngayon epwidin na man na mag request na sadila ilala gai. Wakpun yung itataquila, ya ng tawang yang lumhodyan kini lala nya na yan ikatawang du goni cristo nanang atin mahala nun na papa tini yo stay na jan a dumadal lao stam paroquia na mimi sashina at papa communion kanitino at communion on the tongue mini biganya dina pinapatayo dina pinapalis. No, na ypa bakitila gilaga one kate tinikilala nila naito aikatawana to go ni cristo. Na sahara ngios angios kung ayon yung lumuhood for one reason or another na lang yung kulang ng rispeto. Yes, uh yun yung uh during the uh homily during a mas for the lay ministers. I have seen uh certain uh instances where a somebody who kneels down and receives communion on the tongue is turned away. And it's very painful to uh see that because uh we know that the person is sincere and he or she wouldn't have done that if uh he or she has not recognized the real presence. And if you turn that person away, it's like saying your faith uh is wrong. You don't rightly uh uh revere uh or adore the Lord Blessed Sacrament. Is uh out out of convenience. Of course, but uh we are the ones uh Tayo or Kaming Maapari and this is the body of Christ, the real presence of the Lord. And if you could only see the reality of what is being uh sacramentalized in the host in the blessed host, you wouldn't just kneel but really fall prostrate. Amen. Uh that's why I I told the uh lay ministers gathered at that time. Nah Wagnaman, don't turn them away. It is consistent with what we teach concerning the Israelist.

SPEAKER_04 21:56

Uh may Mahada Babali takabalme. It's sadisus muna.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

But everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 22:09

Oh, uh, z dipapaganung instances, bishop. Anun bainda pat kunyare nire kunyare hogso ba nil tas baitang, nere jekaho, aninda pat kunga wen bishop.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

Well, uh it don't create scandal. If uh for me, if you are told to uh just stand up and receive it, uh don't insist on it. Just stand up and receive it with all reverence, no? But um I think the instruction should be given not to people but to the minister of the Eucharist. Don't turn them away. Well the the norm uh as it has been practiced now is in a man, there's a practical purpose to it. We have thousands of people uh receiving communion. If we have that kind of uh practice, it it might take some time, especially that there's another mass uh. So it's more of practical. But it in any case, that being said, ng practical, it should not detract from the reverence that we give to the to the Holy Eucharist. Uh whether you are standing or kneeling, it's really the heart that matters. Right, right. And so I mean, due to practical reasons we have to stand and and receive at this yung telagang gustong lung big gesture of reverence, don't turn away.

SPEAKER_08 23:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

Thank you for that, Bishop. Panupon kaappek to say yung sebuan rut sa gig secretari ni cardinal binal, saying yung style sa pa ging pastol dita sa m aloles po.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

I learned a lot from the cardinal, of course, no uh yung kan yang compassion, yung understanding, but at the same time yung anurin, yung kan yang systematization sa pastoral plans and pastoral activities. So anjun uh palagi yung annual na pastoral assembly where all of us, uh not all of us, uh, but uh a good representation of the of the uh diocese would come together and uh plan what to propose and what to to implement as a pastoral program for the for the coming uh pastoral year. It's a it's a very systematic thing and um we we had a pastoral thrust which will be uh followed by all the parishes and even also by the religious communities within the diocese and as well as the the lay movements. And the there are uh flagship programs, major programs that are to be implemented at the parish level. So we focus on this and uh it's it's uh all coming out within uh a bigger uh pastoral plan that could have the duration of uh two to three years. So Merun Sheng uh my annual, but the annual is within the context of a bigger pastoral plan so that we could all be on the same page when we move to implement pastoral programs.

SPEAKER_04 25:38

And sa yung doctorate, bishop in philosophy mulasa room. So oning pinakamalalim na inside to human suffering, na gina gamit news, paratulung mangabulakenyo, nana harapsaira pan at natural disasters.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

That of trust in God, a trust or a faith that does not only accept what God has, that does not only that does not remain passive to what is happening, right. Uh especially uh to those who have uh been the victim of calamities, but also uh to look for roots for causes and to solve problems at the level of causes, root cause. Hindi democracy, uh we just have bandage solutions to whatever might be happening, no. Of course, uh superficial solutions can be helpful in the short term, but you will also have to look for the real reasons why these things are happening. And there that's when you focus your uh efforts towards rooting out certain root causes which may in the end be attitudinal. Is the way we do things. Right, right. As a matter of attitude or habits that we have developed along the way.

SPEAKER_04 27:10

Bishop sa recent call nyo po for sweep trials of flood control, corruption, sa bulakain. Baki putat maksalitama bishop ngko sa gubierno sama government issue.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

Well, it's not about uh the church calling to account the government, it's the church raising awareness about what's happening and how each and every individual can contribute to the solution. Casi if um if if you call you simply call out one group, it might look like we are entitled, Yung Sinbahan, right, entitled to criticize simply to criticize one group and calling them to account when in fact the whole uh system uh uh involves everybody. Right. So it's more of uh uh conscientizing each and every individual. And when members of particular groups are conscientized, we have the hope that uh systems and institutions will also uh reform themselves. Because uh the the the role of the church has always always been to raise consciousness about uh God's providence that's a given, but at the same time, how responsible are we in managing the providence, the providence or or the gifts that God's providence has given us. Yeah, it's uh dismay, dismay na la luna d'ulakan because you experience it uh firsthand. For a time we thought na well, itunatalaga it's change, it's uh it's a natural disaster, so we just have to bear it. Nung lumabasya na tumutok na meron pala mga projects yan na uh hindi ginawa or a substandard, then we feel uh betrayed. Not only that, because all along if you observe projects being implemented from a layman's point of view, layman meaning engineer, ndi mo alam mga bagay na yan, para ikalang pero being a layman in that regard, hindi yata dapa ja han parak saying parang dualang epektu yan. Alam parang you have that inkling, pero nika maka bag salita, kasi idi ka na experto at yun wala k namang ka alam alam jan. But now you realize tama palatalaga some of these projects are misplaced and walang wa lang malina w na plano, indi ba shak comprehensive kaya ng daming terang nsahayang. Mm-hm saya. And then in the end, some of these projects actually exacerbated the situation, made the floods worse because in instead of preventing the water from flowing in, it allowed the water to flow in but prevents prevents it from uh draining right away.

SPEAKER_04 30:30

Right. Oh, itang ko pa bishop na yung isasa emboldenis dating sakristan yi.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

It takes anybody na magase. If you play the blame game, say lata mandayo pakasalan. But we root out from the system these uh practices so that we can finally benefit. After all, it's always a blessing na merung na I mean anything, no matter how negative, can always be considered a blessing. I consider it a blessing that this has erupted so that people can become more aware and it can be uh uh a first step towards uh greater integrity in in service in whatever uh level of society you are in. Anger na man is useful as long as it is channeled correctly. It is channeled towards correct action or right action. Kasi kabag anger lang at uh, or uh we just play the blame game with sitting down and thinking the matter through and implementing uh proper measures to correct the systemic uh corruption. Anger is useful, but it should prod us into doing something positive.

SPEAKER_04 32:16

And Bishop Bilang chairpoon CBCP, Office of the Protection of Minors, anoan pi naka mahira mnga challenge, sa pagtu goon sa abuse cases ng sinasabi sakan lupo.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

I think the greater challenge is to bring everybody on board. Na hindi basasabina is only a concern of a few individuals at magawa anyan, um katiwali yanayan. But I think protection of children and vulnerable adults should be a a concern of everybody and it's interconnected. Correct. Since children and vulnerable adults, they live in a community, and you're supposed to create a safe community for them, then all the members of that community should be on board and know what to do, how to protect children, how to be sensitive to their needs and uh to their dynamics, so that uh their innocence can be can be protected.

SPEAKER_04 33:24

Uh familiar case uh Apstein files Bishop. Yes, yes. Oh, another action mudito cause uh is speaking of abuses of minors, eh?

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Yeah, it's unfortunate. No, no. Uh very powerful people are involved. Uh. And that this has been going on for some time, and yeah. Uh the the cover-up has been so massive that uh there seems to be no end to uh the the depravity of what is being uncovered, no. But that's only one uh one instance, no? No matter how widespread the network is, that's only one instance. I mean we we we have to think in a global uh manner so that uh we are able to uh to create a real space, sorry, a real safe community for for children and vulnerable adults. And I think it should start with replanting the faith in the hearts of little children. The Lord's words should re-echo even more strongly when he says, Let the little children come to me. Do not hinder them. Right. So that teaching the little children about the faith and how this faith is lived in a way in a manner that is integral, it actually empowers them to resist all kinds of uh shenanigans coming from adults.

SPEAKER_04 34:52

And Bishop Sao sa pin ng absolute divorce bill. Nama init parin hangang nayon, bakit po talagantino to tulantu ng simbaha.

SPEAKER_02 35:00

Well, in the first place it's uh against the teachings of the church, it is against the teachings of uh the Lord, and it's the the scriptures has been very clear about it. So the Lord is very has been adamant about it that uh the original state of man has been that of the creation of humanity as man and woman, and that the plan of God is that man cleaves to his wife and that they become uh one flesh in order to raise and nurture families. So that has to be always been the original plan of God, and any form of intervention that will uh derail that plan or separate the relationship, break the relationship between man and wife is bound to create even more problems for us, both sociologically and in terms of the advancement of human civilization.

SPEAKER_04 36:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:06

Um detail a solution on divorce uh abuses, yeah, because uh abuses, of course, uh you can have abuses anywhere, but uh the institution actually, the institution of marriage is there to safeguard from abuses. It protects man, wife, and uh children. That's the that's what that's what marriage is all about. There can be abuses, but uh in order to correct the abuses, you cannot denigrate the institution that is supposed to protect the family. You can correct abuses by allowing, for example, uh separation for some time, uh so that there could be time for the process to think things over and cool down, and if uh advice could be given and all that. So these are these are ways by which uh abusive relationships could be corrected. Otherwise, if such an abusive relationship can be traced back to the original defect in the will and mindset of those contracting uh matrimony, then you could always go back to the idea that there was no marriage from the very beginning. And this is the declaration of nullity, no? Yeah, yeah. That uh in the end, and I'll meant this uh this uh abusive relationship has been spawned by an by a defect right from the very beginning. That one or both of them really did not have the psychological capacity to enter into a uh an indissoluble relationship. And then that's uh that's that's why that's one of the reasons why we could uh declare that indeed there was no marriage from the very beginning.

SPEAKER_04 39:45

In Bulakan, you have quarrying.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

You quarry the rivers and uh hills in order to use the the the material for reclamation, no? So that's very harmful to the environment. It destroys our rivers, it destroys our hills and mountains, especially the uh Sheramadre, no? The Sheramadre has been proven to be a buffer against typhoon. Typhoon and if we continue to degrade the Sheramadre, we here at the Delta, because Malolos, Kalumpit, Hagonoi, Paombong, Nase Delta Tayo, yung run of water from the mountains. Dito ha hantung lahat kase, ito yung ano no, ito yung mouse nang river. All the rivers that flow from from the the por that portion of the Sher Madre, they end up here in Malolos, in uh, in uh Kalumpit. That's why they were saying the rains have stopped, but the the floods have just started in Kalumpit back in because the rains started in the mountains and then it goes down, it goes down. It takes several days before it actually reaches Agonoi Kalumpit and the other delta towns. Uh we are always inundated every time there is rain, heavy rains. And so if you if you continue to degrade these uh river systems and the forests that are supposed to regulate the run off, running off of the water, and then we will suffer here from the delta. Yeah, I heard about it. I wasn't it here, but they recall uh that uh typhoon as one of the most uh devastating. For the past two years, palaginal the months of July and August. Although flood uh season, yung periods because the monsoon season, no? Where this part of the world experiences a lot of rainfall. But it's getting worse and worse.

SPEAKER_04 42:14

Dati puka yung pay chairman ng Episcopal Commission on Social Communications. Panu puba natin la labanan nama fake news social media po first education, education sa mang a tao, especially the young people na.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

To think for themselves, not to be herded, no? Right. That's why I I I stuck to philosophy because supposedly when your mind is critical, critical thinking, you don't just accept whatever is fed to you, no? Yeah. Right now the fake news has become more and more believable. Because of AI. Because of AI and mga images are much, much better. But I think the first thing you should ask is when whenever a particular image or message is presented on uh Facebook or any platform is tutobato. Verify it. Verify it, kise you have to match it with what has been the consistent message of whoever that personality is. If that personality has this consistent message and suddenly taliwas, think twice. Don't ever share it right away. Without verifying, you share it, you share it right away. We are allowing ourselves to be instruments of fake news.

SPEAKER_04 43:56

Speaking of that, Param, mas nada y pein sududlan suna. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

Yung trolls, no? Yeah, yeah. They influence our elections, no? Sadly. Correct. Kung around lang mung yare. At sino sino de lang ang ating bino boto. Kung talagang uh yung mga pa ni ni ragilango wa naibang mga tao. Or whether uh the person really deserves our vote. Gita yo critically minded.

SPEAKER_04 44:38

Speaking of election, bishop kasidi bang tao makao nan mang another election. Flood controls kam anu puma sashabin yung bishop.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

I think we should learn. And we should be more critically minded and we should remember uh all these things and all these names so that when the time comes for us to vote, we will be guided accordingly.

SPEAKER_04 45:04

Kasumami mg lumala basan survey nan. Parang nakita kuna dung parin sile.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

That's the work actually of trolls. Oh.

SPEAKER_04 45:16

We really pray for the right and righteous leader talaga bishop. My bana mantai bishop, sa mga traditional na devotion, to ladang seo saobando osinakulo samalolos. So panupun natingi wasan ang maging superstitious ito at gaving tunain natul par sa evangelization bishop.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

Renewal of uh these traditions so that while we cultivate them because they are popular elements of popular religiosity, they can only be effective as ill as instruments of evangelization if they are grounded on the true faith and the true understanding, the proper understanding of the faith.

SPEAKER_04 45:57

And adopting mo pinagama la kin treat sa Catholic faith, ng mgapino yut nga yun uh bishop. Secularism.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

Na na wa wala la na yung uh sense of right and wrong. Yeah min sanhay we're flaunting sin as if it's normal, no? Yes. Normalizing sin.

SPEAKER_04 46:14

Speaking of secularism, because na kita natin yen yung woka ideology n bishop infiltrating especially the young. Wanga gula talaga ko na gana naton. Ganun nasila magise, ano sasa sabi mudita bishop. Pano banatin tulalabanin. Paral la as nila, ming ksa na kikita kong.

SPEAKER_02 46:33

It goes back to ano. It goes back to again critical thinking because these trends must ano dinto. It's it's part of herd mentality. Yun kasing gina gaw ng iba, ito yung usu ayon, uh, yung sina sabin muluma na yan. No. Let's go back to being critically minded. Na. Ma identify natin kung saan ang male, at kung sa'an na gijing inconsistent ang mga uh logical arguments na to ka say they they also use logical arguments in order to justify uh, for example, in regard to abortion, and the sabin ni lais. It's just that it's just a clump of flesh and all that. But then if you use reason, reasoned argumentation, and we present them with data, with facts, they will say that these are that these uh ideas are not consistent. On one hand, you say that they are clumps of flesh, and yet it is not just a clump of flesh because it is already a different genetic uh material. It's already the combination of the genetic uh code of the mother and the father. It is of distinct genetic material. And so therefore, it cannot just be part of the body of anybody's body. Yeah, it's already a different human being, yeah. A different entity, no? That is growing and if given nurturance can grow into full-fledged human beings.

SPEAKER_07 48:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:04

If you just think through makigita mo that say, mas ano sabinila, mas buhai pa yung uod yung fertilized egg, so-called fertilized egg, mas buhai pa yung uod kasi nakaka croll yung uod. Whereas the fertilized egg is not viable outside the body. Well, if you allow the uod to just remain as it is and develop according to its genetic code, it will remain u od until it dies, correct? But this one, no, it's rapidly, yeah, rapidly growing into full-grown human beings.

SPEAKER_04 48:46

Yunganya conservative views mobishop.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

A wok virus is a lazy thinking virus. Actually, all the advocacies that are being promoted by secularists is uh making life easier and convenient to human beings. Instant, yeah. Which in the end does not value sacrifice and instead of protecting and promoting the dignity of persons, will summarily denigrate those dignities if they could uh put themselves at an advanta at a more advantageous position. When certain groups would say, Oh uh, we should respect individuals, we should uh uh uphold human human dignity. They're saying that uh only for their own group, to the exclusion of all the others. And in the end, whatever human dignity they are promoting actually is uh a false form or false kind of dignity. Anim Sabimus Bishop, my body, my choice. That's correct, actually. Your body, your choice. But don't consider that human being growing in your body as your body. It's no longer your body because genetically that has been proven to be not your body, and that's a different human life that is growing. Now, you also have to to to to qu qualify your body, your choice. The word choice. Are you mature enough to make that choice? Yeah, like for example, when you mutilate your body because it's what you desire at the moment, and you are not yet uh of age to make such decisions, is it really your choice, or are you just being conditioned by people around you?

SPEAKER_08 51:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

There are the things that you need to uh to to to qualify and also your body. Your body is uh perfectly formed, and yet you wish to mangle it, you wish to distort it for what purpose that does not give your body the treatment that it deserves sometimes. That's all that that that kind of slogan, if you one only has critical thinking, can be dismantled and qualified to such an extent that you would be more careful and more discerning in doing anything to your body.

SPEAKER_04 51:41

And ang currently yung Filipinas level, like Saw West, pero nga koyung mga mamba batas pino push nila to it, and banting mo Bishop Dito.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

Education delaga. Teaching people how to think more critically. I think also we have very good legislators who can uh who understands the language of the church and what the church is uh uh holding on to. And who can really stand up for not because uh they are Catholics, but because they can stand up for what is right. Naturally. Because you know uh when the church teaches about morality, uh it's not just it does it does not just refer itself to scriptures or uh the magisterium. Uh ultimately it refers itself to natural law, to human reason. Yeah and and this is the human reason is universal. Yeah. And if you can only argue using facts and data, then you can convince people to do the right thing.

SPEAKER_04 52:52

Makes sense. But um same-sex marriage, Bishop Baitin Dita Laga Pede. Well, uh because of natural law.

SPEAKER_02 52:59

Natural law. You can go to scriptures where the Lord says um the Lord or God created them man and woman. Then uh then he defines uh marriage as that of a man and a woman. But uh according to natural law, you can already see the the structure of marriage, the marriage rather, marriage is structured towards the rearing of children, but it's the union also of man and and woman, but also it is geared towards the the rearing of offspring. And uh same-sex marriage simply does not have that capacity. It is not open to life. When we resist same-sex marriage, it should not be treated as a denigration of certain groups of individuals. Right, right. It's not. It's more of the survival of society itself and the institution of marriage, because marriage is directly linked to the preservation of society and of civilization. In philosophy, one can only dialogue sincerely if you have a firm conviction, if you start with a firm conviction about your own stance. Um because if you if you start by having no conviction at all, there's no use uh to enter into uh some form of dialogue because after all, y you are not holding on to any conviction. But yet having a conviction doesn't mean that you have to be disrespectful or that you have to be strategic always in overturning the convictions of others. You can both hold a conviction and yet also be open entirely to the truth that might come out from the people whom you are dialoguing with. Because truth, after all, is not an a monopoly of any one individual or any of any one group. Uh truth can be attained at several levels. Idi ban lang sa tokol sa uh sa sapalana palataya. But at any level, one can attain truth and one and and both interlocutors, the persons in dialogue, can come up with an agreement. Well, not necessarily according to their uh to the to their faith beliefs, to their firm convictions, but in terms of recognizing each other's humanity in the first place. Not so much uh the idea of debating, like debate k se is different from dialogue, no? So yung debate yun yung kalagang gagapi inbuyung kalaga limo, no kase, your interest is to uh to win. To win over somebody. Whereas in dialogue, you are searching for for truth. And there's a wheel of a difference between the two.

SPEAKER_04 56:12

Thank you, Bishop. And some global church scandals ngko sa clerical abuse. So anoprete concrete step ng diocesis ng balo los para rebuild ng trust ng mgataopo.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

First is uh formation. Formation ng kapariyan, formation ng mga seminarista, and at the same time uh instilling discipline. Uh discipline sa mg kapariyan, at sa mga seminarista, and proper intervention. Whenever these things, no matter how you try to be careful about it, uh there's always the possibility that someone might be might fall uh into certain temptations. There's always the intervention, the proper intervention that combines both justice and compassion, not only for the uh perpetrator, but also for the victim, for all involved, for everybody involved. Neutral, neutral, definitely neutral because when you start uh making endorsements, it never ends. And it will only end up badly for the church.

SPEAKER_04 57:29

And bilang de bauti po sa immaculate conception, ano po ang role ni mama Mary, sa pa kilom ng ating bayan.

SPEAKER_02 57:35

Like all mothers, mothers are are are the healers in the home. We come to mothers when we are hurt, when we are afraid, when we are confused, when we need to be consoled. And the Blessed Virgin Mary is our mother. She consoles us, she guides us, she enlightens us.

SPEAKER_04 57:58

Adun pung title Mamma Mary Pinak male.

SPEAKER_02 58:02

Maybe our mother of perpetual help, our Lady of Lords, our Lady of Fatima. But more Sigoro sa our Mother of Perpetual Help because that's the image that we used to have at home when we prayed the rosary. That's nice.

SPEAKER_04 58:16

Actually, me close din sa posu kung kase yung pa nanke anako Mother Perpetual feast day. Yung naging single dead kasehop nung twenty-one. So struggle kya parang nung pitan sa hirap ng ni. Ha yun yung parang tumbataksa yung perpetual pak two lung nya. Yung pak bang un musa mga pakaka malimuan. Pala pit ni sapuso yung bishop. Ane potakapalagi disabaklara, n di jury.

SPEAKER_02 58:46

Dina mal. Dina, kase adolang. The image just uh stayed with me as a childhood memory. And dahil yun yung uhdadasal kame uh the rosary with the image of the Blessed Virgin, the mother perpetual help.

SPEAKER_04 59:02

Ana pong yin yung bold vision, parasadisis, ng malolos.

SPEAKER_02 59:06

Uh, okay. I I wouldn't call it a bold vision. It's more of an aspiration and a hope. Kasilahata mana isadio sindina manta yang gagawa nina. Yeah, yeah, right, right. Ang daiisis mismo, aimerun shang vision, mission. Yung sa kanilang, I would say can I would say kanila kasi da I was Nat Bishop at that time. Sa 2013 they had a synod. The diocese of Malolos had a synod. And it talks about ang vision is more of it is to become a fully evangelized community that is constituted by persons of integrity, striving to become a community and to attain sanctity. Focusing on the three themes, no? Sataong ito, we have we focus on integrity, which is very timely. Dahil nasa mga payaring. Integrity, meaning that we have to be honest, you have to be transparent, you have to be uh accountable. And then solidarity, which is to uh form ourselves into a communion of people, into a community, helping each other, assisting each other, uh so that we can come up towards a common goal. And then uh sanctity, which is uh being righteous before God and living righteously in relation to others. Well, it's of course you might say uh ano nayan, lang it nayan fuman. Yeah, pero Iindi na man masa mung uh goal, but at the same time, we are aware that it's all God's grace. Amen. It is by his grace that we we attain anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:00

And bishop guso marinigyung commentito kasipa lago nara, many Catholics are sacramentalized but not catechised.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:08

It might be true, but it's uh it's a task that we have to continue doing. That we seek the sacraments not because we look at it as a duty or an obligation, right, or uh having magical powers that will help us solve our problems, but because they are the actions of Christ. That Christ continues to work and act in the world through the sacraments, and by availing of the sacraments, uniting ourselves, participating uh in the activity of Christ, then we truly become his disciples because we become co-workers, co-operators in the mission of the Lord.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:55

And Bishop may ma some question lam pudito, uh me comment pudito sabinya ano pung stain nyo sa pag pa sok sa seminario na manga me, homosexual orientation uh papor pu bakay payagansila?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:08

Yung anunaman, uh there was uh there was a document that is issued an instruction from the uh congregation. It was called Congregation at the time, Congregation of Catholic Education uh concerning persons with same-sex attraction. So tatlung bagay na sinasabe doon na uh persons who have who who engage in homosexual acts, who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies, and who patronize and promote the gay lifestyle. These are not uh to be admitted as candidates to the priesthood.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:48

Okay, Pa, thank you. Thank you for that, Bishop. Um Bishop Bukas puba tedi bang makita ng sinumang gustoung mag check ng financial record ng ma Paris or church diocese ng balolos para bo sa transparency Anu pung stag nyuja.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:02

Okay Bukas, pero hina ka elang dinaman na merung legitimate position or reason uh backet mo teeting nan. Because in all institutions, although there is transparency, yung controls. Right. Na yung yung nara rapat lang, like for example, uh the parish priest is supposed to present the income and the expenses of the parish to the pastoral council. Right. Yung members lang ng pastoral council, angekara patan na mga magbubu se si sa mga ganon. Uh kase kung merung merung mga ngmibirun nagmi miron sabe, gusulang ma laman dahail uhung for whatever reason. Nang di na man telaga bhagi ng grupo na my kina laman sa mangab bagon. Endina man sigoro na reasonable.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:03

Right. Makes sense. But Bishop bakipo me restrictions traditional Latin masa ting dai sisis uh may plan pu baka yung i promote o pa hintu luta nito ngit para samagusang traditional form ng mas.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:17

We we just follow the instructions of tradition. Traditionis custodis. Traditionis custodis. I lang na manasino dunatin, because we are part of the universal church. We have to be in compliance with uh what the the Holy See gives us as guidelines.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:34

Uh, ang traditionis custodis, Babishop, in the talagasha babal.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

There are instances na mana manusha, dummasha strictly speaking, uh uh band. No, no, there are just restrictions. Currently. But uh but there are I uh I have um don pay yun, noon pay even before tradition is custodias. I have allowed two priests to celebrate the Latin Mass. So then I asked them, uh they've been doing it, pero you do kung poonta lang angaka ng.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:17

Thank you, thank you for that, bishop. And uh bishop pa no punatin ipagdasalat la banana ng corruption sabanza at sa local na pa mala and tulad, ng in yung mg n na unang pahayag tungsa flood uh control project.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:32

Well, one very important thing, and very I think practical thing is ground validation. Kasi pak palagil ng ta yung daldi denounce, daldi denounce, blame, blame. Pero itung tina tao da ground validation is uh ta yo ma mg ma mama yan, sa pa mga w gita nan simba ha nat mga uhapang mga uh civil society groups, we can create a monitoring body. To uh to see and uh uh to inspect no the projects that are being done within our communities. Because I nasa ground level, grassroots tayo. So, you know, nakigita natin yung gidangao, dito na organized experts who can guide us and who can uh identify uh whether a project has been uh has been in compliance with requirements, uh then it makes a lot of difference. The uh agencies would now be more careful in the implementation of such a project. So itung itung ground validation, uh, which we are uh organizing uh uh together with uh Karitas Philippines. And uh very soon we'll have the implementing guidelines para my sakato baranito.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:00

And an open personal message uh viewers, continue to pray, continue to discern, and continue to uh educate yourselves.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:20

We can also be critical in our evaluation or in our appreciation, sa angnata tangap natin n mg information or advocacy. We with that uh we always ask the guidance of the Holy Spirit to help us see the truth and where that truth leads us to be consistent in everything that we believe in. Because the Catholic faith, what the church teaches has always been one of consistency. If there is any element there in Naging Taliwa, that's the beginning of the unraveling of one's uh understanding of the faith. Let's not specify or blow out a proportion a particular uh aspect of the faith, we will always connect it to the whole, to the whole of the church teaching, which comes from uh the magicum scriptures, the words of the Lord Himself, who founded this church upon rock, upon the rock of the church, the rock of Peter.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:36

Wow, the sparable bishop and lastly precisely because it is consistent and coherent.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:45

If you think in a Catholic manner, you don't go astray. Like I say, anything that Nagigin Kaliwasa Catholic doctrine and Catholic thinking is always bound to make one's thinking incoherent. The Catholic Church, I think for me is the most coherent set of ideas ever conceived by the mind of man. But in the end, it's really the mind of man that has conceived the coherence in the Catholic Church. In the end, it is the mind of God.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:23

Amen. And lastly, Bishop recommended people.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:38

But again, you will see in the in the works of Saint Thomas Aquinas the coherence of the Catholic mind.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:52

Prayer.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:57

Of course, he studies, but it is uh study done while kneeling down.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:02

And bishop uh panbupa m su support and viewers. Please pray.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:10

That's the greatest uh support that you could give. Uh uh and be active in your parishes if you are part of the diocese of Malolos, whatever programs that you have in your parish, uh be active, be uh participative.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:24

Thank you, Bishop Sapakaka Noto and before we close, bapika magbiga Michael Nesal and a blessing pool some uh viewers.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:12

Upangbagaron Sila nang uh kabubu uh napan ngbuhai Nanatatangab Sapamagitan Nang Panana Palataya at Pag Sabuhainito y Nilingamin Sangala ng Amen Pangino Hisocristo, Amen Amento.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:34

Amen. Thank you so much for being up, Dennis Villaro, and we're continue to pray for you, Pobi. Hello ma kafeit, brother Adrian Mila here, and today inin invite kohayo na maging part na aking supporters group dito sa aking akafeit community dito sa ating online evangelization na ginagawa. Pedi ka yung um maging supporters through Patreon. Sa Patreon dito ilalagi ko yung mga face to face kung interview ad mga online interview at mga karung kayo nag unedited early access dito. Sa Patreon ang unique dito pating face-to-face interview I upload natin chan na unedited. Par maka join kayo. A ilalage ko yung link dito somewhere here or sa description maka join sa nating supporters sa Patreon. And sa YouTube mas lower cost yung baba ya rang dito. Pero mga karun ding kay na early access dito sa YouTube bag na ging supporters ku kayo. Dito sa mis mung YouTube channel na ging member ka dito. Ay mga karung pa nag access online interview. Ayan mis mung live interview mga ma access nia for members only. Pero maka ch din sa YouTube. Kung after kung ma edit yung face to face kung interview, mago khosha y upload sa YouTube, ay mga karun na access yung for members only. Ayan so si grou mga one day ahead or five hours ahead. Ma papapa do yukaga yun interview ni yun a bago kosha y upload sa public. Paramha join kisa YouTube, bilang supporters, ay merung button ja and sa baba na ng bi junatoko sa an pedin yung iklik paramagi members ka yudito sa YouTube. Siguru mara mi nik kata ngreon kala na content mwai libre bak mini supporters di bami ba edyan sa Patreon at sa YouTube. Yes, ma puka yo. Amarami po nagi na encounter na manang bag nag mi message kusi andila peding mapango junga ging interview ko afterko ma naunko nya din interview ko si fatri chadri burger, so mami napukha nagahana. Pero impossibly puna tinbaga bayon. So kilam po nating edit yan paganda hen, bago nati upload sa ating platforms, ating mg social media platform. So, sa mama tam gisto mgsto atat na atat nama maka pa ng early access and edited ay na upload kusha sa Patreon at sa YouTube. So, pedi nyo shang mapanod chan. Yun yung benefit non kutalagang gusun yishang mapanodika. Pero indi lang yun ngpach, bag nagi member ka yun ng ating supporters group, ay matutulung yung ko tito sating online evangelization nagi nagawa. Yes, librri nyushang na kokunshum, sating YouTube channel, at samai pa pang anating ma social media platform. Pero tanda pun natin yung ginangamit natin sa mg software, yung kameras, and yung time, yung amin yung yung effort, po puntana natin yungges, ayin dipul lipri yan. Diva sa pano nyun na mal natin ng gas, a min pa masahe aniting na bini bige natisama ges, ay me kospul hat ng yan. So pak nagi member pukayo nagi supporters ku kayo. Ayy matuto tulunganyo ko, dito sa ating ginagwa ng online evangelization, at magigin part pa kayo naggi nagawa naten. At sobrang ng nakpapa sa la matako. In advance, kung kayo ay magde decide na maging ating mga ng supporters dito sa ating online evangelization na ginagawa. And alam na man natin na etung la ba na to is a spiritual battle. Na dito sa online na damina ma fake news, mga maling balita, maling information, dito sa social media, andila la ba na natin itong mg diabolic influencer to for giving you a solid Catholic content. Na na interview natin, na nating ma guess. Ipag dasal nyo, ipag pray nyo, kung ka yubai tiatao di lord, na maging supporters ko. Dito sa ating ka fate community. And kung walaka na mang capacity na maging supporters ko. Ay shen pra yung dasal mo ay enaf na para saken. Please pray pray for me and for this ministry napat wli nating tung magawa. Kaya maka fate, kung gustin yo pung maging partner ating supporters group. Uh iklik nyulang yung link sa Patreon at yung boton dito sa YouTube.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:34

So thank you and God bless.