Na-REAL TALK ang Exorcist na si Fr. Eugene David ng Diyablo?

0:00 – Introduction and Background
6:46 – Opening Prayer
7:16 – Fr. Eugene’s Roles & Courage Philippines
18:12 – Early Vocation & Influence of St. John Paul II
27:50 – Mosaic Art Ministry
39:00 – Training as an Exorcist
42:02 – Baptism of Fire & Exorcism Process
1:00:27 – Role of St. Joseph (Terror of Demons)
1:03:44 – Spiritual Warfare & Modern Media
1:05:20 – Opinion on Horror Movies
1:14:08 – Real Case Study: Spirit of the Glass
2:10:32 – The New St. Michael Center for Spiritual Liberation
2:18:02 – Concluding Prayer

Isang powerful at napapanahong interview sa Istoryang Katoliko kasama si Fr. Eugene David — exorcist ng Archdiocese of Manila, spiritual director ng San Carlos Seminary, chaplain ng Courage Philippines, at mosaic artist.

Sa exclusive na usapang ito, tapat at buong tapang na ibinahagi ni Fr. Eugene ang kanyang totoong karanasan bilang exorcist. Pinag-usapan namin ang thin line between sex addiction at possession, ang malaking role ng father wound sa same-sex attraction, ang kanyang “baptism of fire” bilang bagong exorcist, ang personal attacks ng demonyo, ang kahalagahan ni San Jose bilang Terror of Demons, at ang bagong bukas na St. Michael Center for Spiritual Liberation and Exorcism — unang exorcism center sa Asya.

Hindi ito ordinaryong interview — ito ay totoo, malalim, at puno ng praktikal na karunungan tungkol sa spiritual warfare, kapangyarihan ni Hesus, at kung paano tayo dapat manatiling konektado sa Diyos sa gitna ng madilim na panahon ngayon.

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Archdiocese of Manila Office of Exorcism  
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San Carlos Seminary  
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Courage Philippines  
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Recommended Book:  
Catholic Handbook of Deliverance Prayers by Fr. Jose Francisco C. Syquia  
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Transcript

SPEAKER_08 0:00

Na panao yo ba ang interview na to mi Father Eugene Jessica Soho actually like trending talaga itong interview na to with Jessica Soho bilang isang exorcist priest. Na wan tangwa pa la nya deva, Eugene Ghostfighter, binous nyang sandang porsa yonto nya bilang isang exorcise priest. Kisita guru pa la yon. Pero seriously, ma na kafi. Na ta kato wa ng baging interview ko sa pa nya, na gula taho na yn bilang sha bala isang exorcis priest. Isa din shaang musa mosaiic artist. Sha yung parang mangal map stones, nag pinagdik tiking stones, ta si paranging gumwana ng sang art, ng saked image. Mai kita yen very sa masimbala handi, banggand danun. A tagaral pasha sa sa room. Tu saka nya yun talagang very well known sa pagga wan ng mosaiik. Very unique ng kan nyang talent. One of a ka nain vito sa Filipinas. So na kitring din sha is art na to. Bito sa interview na tong mas uh nakarun tai ng niti greiti. Sakan yang experience bilang sa ng exorcis. Pasidi baldu su Jessika soho. Odo mahabana yun pero masbito hini mai ko patalaga. Yung kanyang story, inalamko, yung kanyang nagin background, bilang exorcist priest, and etcetera. Kaya. Andami nyo matoto nandito sa interview na to with Father Eugene. So make sure na y like, subscribe, at ishare yatong uh interview na to. Thank you ng.

SPEAKER_10 1:43

Malapita mga urdeen. Hm sa seminario magin paret no. Sabin nya na wala lasha ma puntahal at parang kina kapusha diba paghartilar sa laging pa go. Puta sha sa doctor sabi kila mma treatito. Dewal mahalang pagamot. Song ginawa ng maderko ay nag debot finok yapo. Pita no pyapu ngdasal. Hm da pusim pala antagalang yangud dun ng dadasal. Guru anba visa me raketical moment ngta waga. Black up dolan. A lang gita lang yro yung black nazari. Black nazare ne reach out yung kosuenya. Nung hino waga nyung fosunya. Parang big langwe. Pararus na ligunang malam. Yung nasama conferences na me. Yangung talaga pak kina ab. Mental block. Dabus nung anuna, pero itongai. Pak pa na dedihadu ka. Yung bigla munalang bakakarun ng inspiration. Big la na. Yung alamin defensive beka nesi matin yung. Self-preservation. Right. Dabina gaisa tine lord. Yung protect ta yusarin. Nung sasabina yang. Tandan mo. Hilala wana na min. Alung na mi makasalan mo. Ai. Yung asabina, no. Bigribil me. Big lang nk salita. Bilan na lang. In the name of Jesus. Be quiet. Do not speak. In the name of Jesus. Be still and be quiet. Jita liga naksalita.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Wow.

SPEAKER_10 3:12

Angtalin na pa. Basus nya. Ba bayolin. Uruma mura atkuru kasira anang. Right then in deparang me busal. Tina pan nyung bibig nya. Hindi. Asing, na big. Wow, bigo. Nag na no, big pear effect in papo. Yang na yun. Tung na ring ka auto rikaminang kan. Pak talagang ma inga nama herea. Kino kuman kuga in the name of Jesus. So, uh, Tasunga ba naolisha. No, three Rs, three to four R six. So, father kind uh muna kung magkumang yan. Father lang ikumal no na mm magma send time dimonyo no? Pisa pa. Pag me magandam baba, e maganda hand di ba. Right. Eh maganda ying baba e kasing na poses. Sabigasi ng ide prei overkoto, abiko. Ng na sa isitko. Uta na posis? Wawa na manto sa yg na posis. Bakit anang reason. Dail sabiko. Iba usually pag bina yang ka ng kaganda ha ne, usu na bakit ka made depress or bakit ka. Paring yat da hing ya because of spirit of the glass. They surrender their will. Na pasu kancha ng dimyo. So bulle ra bulsa mara sha opeeling. Alma ng. And no tung ta on to sahi na man, nan, ba may sakitito or ng bakit ng gaga nito. So na onda wenang koyo, na pine pray overko. But ng dimonyo na gag na gagan da no sa baba eung mismo yung yung baba e mismo, na hindi ni ya controlada dung katawanya. Na dati yung matanya na hindi kusa san direction, no? Hindi sa makapita sa n direk. Bika kutin hindi ga ng ng baba e. Atan tinginy ya nus. Ng lawala sa sa, mglasa n tumalun. Tuman sa tuman sha dito sa ano sa maypyuna me sa sanda. Eh, n ta asun nutinalun yye, tinalunya gano. Ta pas yung eichura ng katawanya. Pana myy. Hapa yun da sa movies na deform. Yung position yay yung hindi, man. Pana ng nagawai position. So something something weird, no talaga yung. So sa biga ng pisa biko. D dismis kuna sa psychological angta ng pisa. Bero dito tama sala yalat mbalahi boko. Tapus ngun y na namincha. Tumanun sa sa next pew. Ni naptawa ny mga plus. So pa kaming hab na gabulan paragaming asut posa do sa lob ng church. Wow. Tapus ito d. Toma ta lungha, na balance nya is talagangang adun clawless yung balance. Hindi nahulogindi na dudulas. Lagi ang landing na paanya tih sa youu. Laktaul laktaw lang sha. Wow wow Disa tu meeting yin sa grao. La isha na katingin sa tas. In the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit. Amen. Lord Jesus, I ask you to protect our families from sickness, from all harm, and from all uh accidents. And if any of us has been subjected to any curses, excess or spells, I declare these curses, excess, or spells null and void in the name of Jesus Christ. If any evil spirits have been sent against us, I decommission you in the name of Jesus Christ. And I send you to Jesus to deliver us again. And then Lord, I ask you to send your holy angels to guard and protect all of us. Dear Mama Mary, I humbly ask you to protect me and all those oppressed now and all those peoples in our lives whom we cherish, as well as all our possessions from any form of harassment and retaliation from all evil spirits. As we do this ministry, cover us all with your mantle of love and protection. For you are our mother and we are your children. Intercede for us with the Father that all that we do and say may redound to his good pleasure and glory. Amen. In the name of the Father, in the Son, of the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_08 7:15

Amen. So welcome po Father Eugene David, Exorcist Priest, ng Archdiocese of Manila and Spiritual Director San Carlos Seminary. And isang Mosaic artists. Yes. Chaplain ng apostolate ng carriage. Carriage. Manila.

SPEAKER_09 7:32

For Manila, yes, our size of Manila.

SPEAKER_08 7:34

Yeah, nagulat nga kon na part ka din pala ng carrige.

SPEAKER_10 7:37

Famous na wuna ging carrige chaplain. Kiasa exorcist. One year yung uh yung yung la mang like 2014 na ging chaplain. Kina posapa naong cardinal tagle to take care of tung mg kun yung carriage ministry, brothers and sisters. Pang support group. Support group for persons with same sex attraction. Yeah. And then after a year, na sain na ksi tos uh lead of the minor seminar as formator says school seminar. So that's 2015. Na pas na sain nah dito, invite only fathers na pay dia ko Somalis uh Minister of Exorcist.

SPEAKER_08 8:17

Oh, familiar na s carriage kasing na na interview father Franz D. So an should nama sa sa.

SPEAKER_10 8:25

Sha yo sabulagan. Sha yung counterpart kwa sabulagan chaplain sabulagan.

SPEAKER_08 8:29

So on ni na kita mung uh issue pag dating sa same sex attraction. Halwa natin ng pagiking exorcist tapos uh chaplain ng courage. Ani na kita mung me commonality badito father.

SPEAKER_10 8:42

Hmm. So that's a good question. Yung um commonality, yung sax attraction kasi. Karmian kasi ng members ko. Stagil sembre di ba sexual temptations. Tapos sembre ito ay hi nangun sa ministri na alcoholic anonymous.

unknown 8:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 8:58

Which is ki no purb yung addiction di ba drink. K no control and heal yong sant ta'o. So kong di alcoholic yung alcohol yung addiction sa sex addiction, no? Parang para typical uh sex alcoholic anonymous kusabinate. But very religious. Ang center ng group na min. Hindi talaga yung means, no? You way how to heal them, which is yung like alcoholic anonymous style. But the center of the group is the Eucharist. Wow. Sacrament Sunday. Nice. And then the Sacrament of Reconciliation. Of course, the center is none other than the Lord. Spiritual healing ang anorinito. Whatever support group healing that we can give to people with SSE. Sempre mahirab dinyun na alung yung a mining m yung lat na weakness mono. But we are a safe space ma persons with SSE. Then yung shares. So difference ministry experts. The term na kino kot kuna si father babi de la proof, no. Kasi father. Bina man sa addiction, drug addiction. Kun na sex addiction, any addiction, any weakness, sinful, or sexual sins. Addiction, paran there's a thin line between addiction and possession. Right. You're being governed by the evil spirit or malakas yung influence, so pag mearo kang ma addictions. Right. Nang i naway possession, lang katawan mo na. In the name of Christ, I command you to leave. And uh ito, yung minamin, andong to support one another. We listen to their stories, yung admissions, and then of course, uh, mou po for confession, bala gang too long. Kasi, ang offer nag exorcism is spiritual healing. Right. Dina magami mg doctor, dina mgami mg medical doctor. Na pa send game barang pa sient taug naamet, ma cases na me. Pero we are we heal them uh by means of spiritual healing. So na ying ni wala kami pagnahi yung spiritual sickness, no, na patawa jong kasilana, na wala yn her, na tohoto mg patawad, atmarami pa miba no, it is the Lord that heals. D pa'. Kumaling yung spiritual, yung iba aspect aiguma galing din. Nga ging normal. Na tangal ba yung block. So mga yung effect to ngot, effect to na yung natural, kasi na mala yung spiritual block, which is demonic. Okay. So dung na i ta karing yung spiritual ti ng gina gwana msa caraj, which is gana yung. Ako bilang chaplain bilang pare, yung spiritual block or demonic tina tangal musa sakanila, para gumale, yung isangta.

SPEAKER_08 11:48

Hmm, me advantage bana exorcis ka din the same time uh chaplain it kanang carrage.

SPEAKER_10 11:55

Well, mal malaging tulung na yung spiritual warfare mentality. Spiritual mg uh parang warfare mentality. So pilang pari de no, and da il y na mantalaga mishun na siba ni no, yung kalik tasa ng alulwa. Io ng gusunami mg yare nagbawati sa makaru ng pak papataw sa la na gili kasa ng mara mi members di nami sa kari chyba. Sabinati meyrosilang trauma se no? Kasu ng abuse. Kasu ng abuse, sexual abuse, or verbal and physical abuse ng bata pasila. That's why ng number one reason din sating ko no, sa mga na riniko through the years. Yung sad ng si sa mula sa family, no, yung father mo i abusive or mga absenti fathers. So, it ka bilang bata nag titi wala. Para umma aasa nga a ka yung ka ng magula ngulalun na ta for example. Mm-hmm. Aitu ypa yang yarisa yo. Mara mering abuse pa iba, sa mga bagaanap, or meradin mga kaibi gan or mga mga influences from outside. Dun madalas nagi start e dun pung ma pasa k din kasi dailing na ki share si na personal experience na, na lala mana me, ta pasaka msa nila, no sometikes no sa pa hinig ya pouncealing and confession. So, nan dung ka lang sakanila, no? You give your time to them. And then hopefully na makita nila kamiya bika kabilang chaplain, ay Ati yung hindi kung na kita sa ta ta yiko ay. Para nakita sa spiritual fatherhood. Mapare, no? So ayun. Pag na ringik by yung conversion, sa ka yung pag galing nga isanta, o mala king consolation yung sa min mga para, no?

SPEAKER_08 13:37

So father figure, ting mung ysa sa factor ng saying SSA is father figure. Absentee. Or me rung nab you say lagan.

SPEAKER_10 13:44

Yeah um kogo tata ngin, majority nag cases na minta la gaga father. Tung tata ka no. Nindi lang sa mga la la, no? Siya, mal la kiha bal ng malaki. Da gana ng role model, tama. Saka nila sexuality, na, sexual identity. So, na sa na sa father, or sa mga matanda members family mga relatik sila. Paradal di ni la nha kita yun, ndi silan na ka relate dons supposed to be na te ting na nilang mab booting exemplo, so sa iba nila na kita na. Pwedidin sa isang sa isang parent. Sa nana. Naging na gika na develop yung pa ka effeminate nag sa. Da yang ayon yang ayung yung taka. Y mga abusive nag mga male, no? Mm. So th. Parang kata kaka hindi lang sa male, no. Pati mi s mwing sa female. Ng pasampal mga m baby na SSA, na mga lesbian. Kuna ginate. Eh ginun dead poor father image.

SPEAKER_08 14:41

Father then? D opposite di sa mother.

SPEAKER_10 14:46

Kalaku sa mother. Meral ding, of course. Yeah madalas kase di ba yung isang i the other sex na man yung female. Mm. Pero na pan singulang, no, based lang din sa experience ko. Dilang piori. Yung masculine parent talaga. Parasang sexual i sexual identifier. Ki siba. Itong medicine napago usa pa na mina. Sa chromosomes laudi ba biology, for example. X, y, y, si, y, si, y, y. X, y, X, X, Y, Y, X, Y. X, X para yung baba. Magig. X, Y. Yung squirm lodah. Mereg chromosomes na. X and Y na copper juice. Sha yin nage identify sa sasina pupuna n palang no. Fertilization. Kung yung magigi anak mo babay lalak. So it is the male, no? From the male chromosome. Mm-hmm. Uh na id nagi sa yung ng na mimile, kung magig babai la la.

SPEAKER_05 15:40

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10 15:41

Pero, sempre, that's genetic, no? Pero da isa Catholic Church nindi nag conclusive yung pinagbulla ng same sex attraction.

SPEAKER_05 15:49

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10 15:50

Na, ito ay ngga, ito ay, maypi nagalak talaga na sabinating gay, no?

SPEAKER_05 15:54

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10 15:55

Pi nga lap naga gada, mea na shang same sex attraction. Mas ng nini wala ta yo at conclusive ta la ga science, then will say na. It is social influence. So, yung pinangusa pa natin social influence, like, for sample sa tatay, for example. Yung tata y natin, ano palasha sexual identifier, ha ba lumalagin bata. Sha ring yung reason, yung magiging kos. Whether magiging faithful kabadun sa gender na biniga yo. Biological gender mgiging. Ika wangi mo socially an pa. Babai ka baba uh bai gender kang lalake, napad mak lalaki yung ano, tas babay babai. So sa social influence, pakbad ang experience bata. Usually, yun din, no, parang malakin factor ta la ka tata.

SPEAKER_08 16:41

Yeah, ka important pa ging priest ng tata i sa family, no father. Important y na y na affirmat bina bless nya n ka nya mga annak. Yeah okay. Ver crucial ang role, na.

SPEAKER_10 16:51

Malaking role ng parent, no. Of course, nanitata iko yung nyan. Per yung father di bak se para eko yung head of the family. Pina jwa la se yun ng jos yung pamiya moe. La bada sa teri nik. Mas powerful ang prayer ng parent. Yeah. Mother or father, kesasa sa anak kasi maong kang uh temporal authority, baikara patang ka sa nak mulalok bata pa tiba, kasi ko yung ng pabinya, kiko ngaalaga, ng galing biologically, tama. Pat meong spiritual authority. Kya yung tatay mismo, na no. Parang pinakikingga ngjose, yung prayer na prayer ta tai, at ng dimon yo. Kase. Yung dimonyo, ivi sembri na pa kingan. Kina galang ya dail alam na yung tatay mi spiritual authority. Sa anak so malakas yung prayer na pared na lunga tatay. Kang kami na mam bilang pare na nga gigin paris pe kame. Awang na gim paris pe sa kon ten verses. So bilang parish peace. Yung prayer kong bilang parish peace. Parasung parishioners ko. Very powerful. Yung anue, kong malaki yung ano. Yung ngaga waan.

SPEAKER_08 17:59

Wow. Thank you for sharing your uh apostate about carriage father. Siguru, bha peti kama share ng background and about yourself, father. Uh pa no kabanak start, I mean yung bokasha msa pak papari bakatiti pini limo father.

SPEAKER_10 18:13

Alamo wala ringa idea talaga na pat pinili kunalan to. Pamaso na minor seminari bata pa hwe 11 years old puma. Pero sa bi nag. Nang family ko parents ko. Mm. Bata palawa elementary palang pa nag express nahug so kung magim pare. Well, uh influence wise jan polisekin dba la kita jan polisek.

SPEAKER_08 18:37

Nagur jud day kaba.

SPEAKER_10 18:38

Oh ng worjude similar isana ku nun eh. Um, so na kita mosha. Nakita o sha, na ging na serb sa santo kwa during uh day ninete ninety five similar isana sa san kardu semina. Yeah na ta gang ngai na share kore no, sempre biab the privilege na makita sha personali talaga msa sabiko na pa banalata o no. Sempre ng. Alamko na, ang miya mori kun pakuna pagud kami diba, world jude yan eh. Right. Kami mga server sempre pa good kami sa practice pakana. Pera ng dumating yung.

SPEAKER_08 19:14

Gana?

SPEAKER_10 19:14

Ohang na refresh ka. Ating di lang yung kasi ako yung nane, ako yung asama kosa serve, pika y naga incense, no? Mm so aku yungha dung boat ng incense. Sembre ng luma pit ka misa kanya paramak palagay ng incense before damas diba. So hina wa ka nya kami sa.

SPEAKER_08 19:32

Wow, so relical na palapad.

SPEAKER_10 19:34

Third class relic. Na nyaga. La hula. Naram dama siguro dealan to cycle. Spiritual talaka. Mala talaga. Nakompla yung toluuk mo lasmo talaga. Misa diba. Misa. Baga na spiritual hai, no? It's the grace of the Lord. So speaking of junk poli second, cardinal sin pa, bayako, yen yung madalas na narevi niko, sakuru bata palang o exposed na kudon. Ki 1983 namataisi nino yakino elementary palangami non. Tabsi bila 1986. It's a revolution. Right. Ma elementary palangamino na. Ndina mga maka puntas malit na bata bata pa kaminon. Kimad si gura yung exposure like narevi na Cardinal scene, Jan Paul II. So sa piko, ity yung parang gusu korung bagin, na?

SPEAKER_05 20:27

Mm.

SPEAKER_10 20:27

Pero sina bi ng mother ko, nung bigla asi yung mother ko kasina karuna heart enlargement ng nung datin mg bata pa kami. Tat n lokam nyo kaka patit, ng di man, paragamiing ani pa meika kayhaal no. Sabi yung heart enlargement ya. Pagindi na pa gamo. Delicato. At magastos yung procedure. Alamuna man, blessed are the poor in spirit. Walaan ta takbuan kundi si yo. Diboto kasi mami kasa.

SPEAKER_08 20:54

So 80 years old na sha diba sab. 86 years old. 86, eighty six.

SPEAKER_10 20:57

Eighty five, eighty five. Wow. Oh, diba, grasan just gano idad. Wa mm nish yung operation, ndaminan yang. Hard bypass. Kinangalan sha ng tairo eik. Okay. Cancer sha before. Success po yung ana yang yung yungga nyang tairo deck fumi. Mm. Tapus mepaba. Natangalan sha ng gal bladder. Recently, naadulasha nabali yung kan yang famour in the longest book. Yeah, yeah. Satai, da pus yun nahan, gina brandi, ma galaga mina batter scarse, bugun pasapang ka na kadung basis. At marami pangibba. Mala sakae dinam. So yung heart enlargement ya mirakal kasi yone. Ang alamko. Kasi kinokwen tunya. Kinan tinya sa rintan malapita ma urdeen. Hm, sa seminario magimpare, no? Sabinya na walalisham puntaha at parang kina kapusha debap heart enlarge lagin pagot. Putasha sa doctor sabikila m tritito. Deval mahalang pagamot. Song ginuwanang mother ko aing devote na kyapu. Pero in a kita pal sintokase yung tulo y paus nya sobran to ronata. Parang sanak didripnessab. In an time na yung na nahimas masalasha. Yung pakaram dum nyo nyana dating hirapsa hominga na barang big langa naposparang almina, parang parang anokanaging paranguma ling na. Sung ginoan motherko na bumbalik do za doctor. She like uli yung heart nya. Ng say like yung heart nya, ano parang who su ro ng bata anang yare, no? Parang wow, gano. Baraming stories n kya kayam raami devoti yang kya po ega sita lagam miraculous, no? So, kya o blessed are the poor, kay mga poor, kasung so talaga ni lord na dali yung hundred percent yung entastment. Right. Nice. Sapos, angga na dito, yung kiker dito, sabi naga na madr ko. Na sempre nag ngdasal shha. Na? Siempre pang nagdasal mey mga adia ni. Mm mga may y offer mi konti sho, no. Mga bata pa ka minute. Sabi sabi na mother ko. Pang pagaling yo po, pong nasare no daheel, maliliti ma bata, yang na kopa, makita sila ng, ma naga.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

Right.

SPEAKER_10 23:52

Kung pa gaga galing yon ko. Y offer ki yung isaku anak pak papari nko. A pa na sina ph. Ka y na la nakung nyata ng sa invocation story. Biga na nga sina gusto makpare. Suma ng elementary kapalang sum ngpare, di mo alam pila pasak. Bikang na karon la na nin nya bang connected to, kasi ng bata paho, ngda sa yung mami kungyo.

SPEAKER_08 24:15

Nkarong ng desire. Pero wala sang bina bangit sayo na.

SPEAKER_10 24:24

Pero massaya sa dahi, may pak karig shung far mother site koti nagasha mag madre, mgila ta ng fatri ko. No? Iung ka pala, sing na pointin saabang tuna seminari nahwe. Parang siya sapina bgba pari dadisa yo. Na nini ba lawa yung parent talaga la influenza napnale, no?

SPEAKER_08 24:48

Authority sabi.

SPEAKER_10 24:49

Authority akin naga bugadun bagay. Lagi k shinish are ya, no, la nasa devotion.

SPEAKER_08 24:57

Wow, so pra kapalanang mmahal na pong nasareno. In a way, no way. Like testing one nin naba mother mudan. A deep, ng deep. No uh black nasarin feast day.

SPEAKER_10 25:07

Ngdisha naqte. Asheli ayoma sa ng fightun psa ywe. Saka sa iba, no kaso uh out of obedience, yung follow the bishop, I follow the our cheap exources badr sa kiya.

SPEAKER_08 25:22

Na papapa interveng kenit. Wow, take it father. Sang mala kin karang a la nyung father. So nung ng pari kana. So, pangwa nag bul sa mosaic art.

SPEAKER_10 25:31

Mosaic art.

SPEAKER_08 25:32

Umbali ta na parang ng 2006 bi lang bagung pari. Ng si mulaka day walang pera yung simba han.

SPEAKER_10 25:39

Yeah, yeah. Na sain na kwa sa holi family parish 2006, ba dang pari. A sa late twenties, la la ko. And yung parish na min, during that time dim kang church yung simba na min. Kasi parashang a parang chapil lang sha before. So shenprengus kong yung church like yung church, yung yung parish yung place of worship na min. And wala kung capacity for that for that moment, no, in that moment, se wala kami fundings. Holy ng pa ko takom mejung mahal, no? Sala la kuna ming kaka ya handin na nabo paralang sabing mung mg mg impresentable. Mwang simba nya simban mo. Kase disa seminario nag next start, kese lagya kung arts committee. Mm. Walako formal studies art, ng tataiko yung tataiko architect, law ng basic ng drawing. Pero yungat sa seminary for my whole stay sa major seminary arts committee yako. So, natuto rangwasa mga seminaries sa tinurwa nlandin nala pana taho yang di design lagin na mga works dun. So sabigo sin wala mga npera wanga ng design, tha. So bida was national bookstore and mga art material, design design na se church. Ngusuan mga parishioner yung mgga design. Then lately me sa nakitaho isang mg ng mga nga musiik, no? Sa dito lang din sa makati area. Pang dona yang child. Okay. Tabosi to parang electronik yung pagaga wa. Sivama yparang 3D printing, parang pindrin sa tiles, sa nag inquire ko ng dynamin ka yang. May yung mahal. So sa biko mga tiles na mali lit ng to. Why na akunalanguma wa. Andami ng ties sa simbaha. Yungga alam na yungga sobran tiles. Sing aggregate ko into colors, tapos, to mi awasama parishioners tum mea no sa mg lung tiesi bigay sa. Ami ma chaga gala lang talek sa musiik. Musaik kasi yung genra nag art kwe. Ang secrets sa paga wang musiik. Segregation of materials into colors. Ki prepare mma yung mga pieces. Pag na prepare mgat ng pieces, no ma colors and shapes. So, gaga wagaalang pattern, din pay diga ngwana nag musiik. So, basic na basic musiik gina waga before. Gungwaga nag five blobs and two fishes. Dib na pa ka dalilang na. Na fish. Five blobs yung tabga. Nguta nag Galili, tito sa holy land, di baby ta tagga tabga. Yung lugar gusal nga breakfas jiskays nung Easter. Yeah. Tapas sinaya ya yung aposol ya na na pumunta ngun na paramak breakfast together with him na. Five lobes and two fishes nunda. Winokapaling design very basic. After no, nagenda la ko, naganda yunga apparitioners. So na gustua nila. So anang ya rin na nana. Param para sabi gon na atik bah. Pagawa. Gungwa ng mara bi pang mga future mosaics.

SPEAKER_03 28:25

Wow.

SPEAKER_10 28:25

Tasi na porta na parishioners, like donates. So gumwako. Pati guma gwa nah la murals. Yung sin ba nam pinon nam mina murals. So yu.

SPEAKER_08 28:34

Pero sabim dibo wangaral ka kii K Father Marko Rupnik, no? Pani na nain na una.

SPEAKER_10 28:42

Na unak pa yung experience kwa as paris. Ng parish pisa o, di pinonu ng murals. Ki yang parisama holy family. Kito sa safara daysa baranggay sa lisi draw yusbahat. Lahat ng exena sa boy ng holy family, i ni la gudun sa, sa mga walls ng siba na me. So alima na yg berika teketikal. But kung masuk dan church magita mwa. Presentation of Jes in the temple, birth of Christ, my na TV T, yung firewall ng na TV T na mg ba ng three story hayo. Pala ng firewall. Pino no muse yung bilin.

SPEAKER_03 29:17

Wow.

SPEAKER_10 29:17

Kaya 365 days my bilin kami. Nasan muse. Ena y, ak ngbundawa do barang museum sha na holy family, mai gita myung boy nag holy family. Na nasa ma walls.

SPEAKER_05 29:27

Hmm.

SPEAKER_10 29:28

So n sikur na pancini cardinal tagle, yung ami former bishop na manila, cardinal chito tagle, a mi talin pala itono, so ni refera kwa kay Father Marco Rupnik, no? Sang magaling na artist uh Roma na yun yung. So ta na parakino nek nyakoro para mga aral sakanya na art. So nagaalakwa i fa na Rupnik 2017 pa anti litung present time. Ka rara ting kungala yung 2025. So room. Yung dun na kung na two dokas exam ni lao for so many years. Maramika mimg artists from different countries. Malalaka yung projects na menasin. Mm gami projects Brazil, like Sao Paulo, yung yung Our Lady of Aparecida. The largest Marian shrine in the world. Wow. If I have not if I'm not mistaken, two thousand two point five hectares. Ga no gana yun. Twenty-five thousand square meters. Wow. Of mosaics, no. Sembra hasangasabana. Paga wigosabiko. Gaga wing sa Filipinas. Kya na yang may shop me ateliers shop. Yunden yaga tatangap na mga o commission ka. Mga commission works pasma churches. Yuningagwana mg.

SPEAKER_08 30:39

Aha asa church lang di.

SPEAKER_10 30:42

Churches, mga religious uh institutions, at kasin mag pa wana musei, basa religious in nature, kung kaya na minga wen. Kasi na gi start palangue, wala pangman power, meju kon tipa. And then materials then Wow. Ya hopoli pagasal mona. Ngma pi rin yung yung pa ng foundation lag ta yo na foundation for this purpose.

SPEAKER_08 31:05

So, yung yi sang msa musay card, gano kata gal musha gina gwa father. Kinyare yung pag basic yung gano kata galgi nagawa yan?

SPEAKER_10 31:15

Um among artworks na mein mostly yung pinagala lang si Byzantine na yung Eastern Church yung mga lama y mga icons. Panto krator te yoto kasma gang ng klas dependi kasi sa materials ya na. A chaka dependi sa la. So, for example, me gina wako stations subda cross, no. So, stations subda cross ko I know uh ang saisya is two by two feet by two point five feet yung high. Parang gina wakaku sa gina gwa kasa since November pain. Takaba Februari, Februari na taxi. Tagal den, no? Takal den. Pero yndia was full time, yeah. Langasi me bang asign. For me to ministries pa. So na train lang workers, yung nag design na ko yung na conceptuali. So from tai sain super biasko. So tungu tulong din naga wa sa pagagawa. So yung na butang ya three months bayon, pa ngalun. Three months. Dependi, meron kaming gina wa sa tondo, ity yung pinaka pinaka ba king artwork na nagawa ko uh to date 153 square meters. Laka musiik nya. Sanctuary ng San Pablo apostol parisha tunduma dila. So the way we do mosik sa room, ng sas school ko, ng, same lang de materials and how we do the mosaic. Mai ko artists na maka sama dun, pero musi la ko yung nag ng design talaga noon. Took us uh how many? Eight months? Eight months to do it. Laki kasi ba. From concept to eight months.

SPEAKER_08 32:45

Right. Uhwa nba say na baha itas pinal muse. Mere nga naka.

SPEAKER_10 32:50

Mina kasala mga sa ng pawa. Oh na se yang day. La gung time na we. Aldo ano, pagnatabu shhi bakung project, sa ayon. May nag baka conceptuali. Alamka minak pa pagawa sa la wa tatla ata. Wow ba bahay masug mgain tola la nga.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

Magan.

SPEAKER_10 33:08

St. Michael Center, gagwa rin nahwana. Saint Michael. Mishis ka ndikula o sa ilala lagay. Yung si Saint Michael, bacling the demon, uh book of revelation. Nga na pa mi la father s kia wsa ilala la gay dita.

SPEAKER_08 33:20

Isa ya sahawling mg pa game sa artist father.

SPEAKER_10 33:23

Yeah, yung mating na lang no?

SPEAKER_08 33:24

Dailing ba na gisa dita sa Pilippinas.

SPEAKER_10 33:27

Sa Pilippinas sa pare na nga gagwa ng musiik, parang hulang. Per meon mara marain marami mgali na mga artist den na gumagwa ng musiik. Asha miko artist dina hwe. Na nagaral din saroma, sa ma sasaschool na mea. So gumbagwari sa ng musi. Pero laat ka mime ng kabika nya kan yang genra or background, na style. Pero sa pare sikur meerung ding iba niko lang nakikilala la, no? Iba, iba yba bang para an pa ng pa gway musiik. Kami masa saabiko fusion na ko ng traditional chaka modern.

SPEAKER_08 34:00

Yung museik part. Kya natana ksa yo kung sino ba gumu adusa St. Martin torsin y adoration chapel na mosaiik art yung se ge na bulakain. Sabulakan. Savanggana sabi ko pa ng pa nu to ginaga wa yung mma kita.

SPEAKER_10 34:16

Pero alam kuming pare, ndilang dito sa luzuno. Saminda sa besias merun did do sa. Ilo ilu merun dito, dun church na mg pare yung madri rinanguma wa. Diku ba na babi seita. A sanga mitali mga lokal materials do yungga patungbuha yung salamin. Ya. A ng start ta ko ceramik. Ceramik taler rami. Asay na pa mara minating material na ceramic. Right. Pero ma apter kung magaral, mga natural stones na, no? Like yung mg moseik sa magita mga abbroad. Aho ay s nabandin ng cardinal, yung bosko si cardinal Joe advinkula nay mga paret sa Philipinas, no, na magaling sa art or gusumatuto, they can study under me, no? And I am willingly uh I I I willingly share the techniques, yung ta yung how to do the mosaics. Just uh coordinate lang. Kadi balayajan. Cardinal. They actually, yes. Kasi miyang kaming parang dini develop na workshop then. Workshop for lay people. Magawa ng na musiik. Parang workshop. Simple lang. Pero kung advanced, of course.

SPEAKER_08 35:23

They they need more time to spend. Wa ding di sa mga art si na.

SPEAKER_10 35:30

Therapeutica no si ubu si moreas mg mga ng art, tasa ka background music and sa. Kasi kano sa Eastern. Pag mwa gang i call, sa gmuaga ng museik sa Eastern tradition, Eastern church. Ani na, hindi lang sha talaga trabaho. It's your prayer. The product of prayer. Part ng prayerful activity or spiritual activity pag wwang muse. Kasi mga wagglijus, imagine bgmaga waga ng mukani Jesus Christ mamma medi mak seeds. Nagaga me tinto for worship. Dibaku yy tapashu icon nila la gaysa church. Right. Wara mung mgdada sa jan. And the more we pray, the more you're connected, the more you meditate on the passion of the Lord or to be close to God. Mang kita yun sa ga wamwe. So basically, pag magib worksha poga nundin. No, our work is our prayer.

SPEAKER_08 36:15

And Father pa no kala ging exhorcures.

SPEAKER_10 36:17

Pangin na pinwento kosa yon na ng 2015 after the parish, na a say na kosa seminari, yan bijitin baita kun ni father sikia. Uh ngdi kuna man talaga parang kumbaga 100 percent gusto exources. Pero curio saho, kasi ng parish bi sa go, singoro nari ng yun na sa kwento ko dan sa mga nga interview sa gang before yung kwen jing per six perius kwa na authentic possession na sa parish ko, bataang pari pa ko n chang. Wala kung kalam labsa exorcisisim. Pero by the grace of god, na pala is na yung sa mang spiriton na ibalik nami yung baba e. Na naglarun na spirit of the glass, no, na na liberate na mana. After that, dan mik ng questions, no. Dong di kun entertain, naging exorcis. Pero gusta kung ma mgtanong sa ministry, which is da de si father sikia matagalashang exorcis no. Sini si mula nanya tong ministri na t. Then comes yung invitation, no, na ng galin ki father sikia. Say there was one time ng nas uh ng parish pis paho, mei sang pari kami na exorcise bikarit na med si father re mobati. Ta posi pader remo bati, da lahu yung batang pari, awin driber. Nak pati za n dito sa isang parish, dita sa makati. Ya. Sa isang funeral chapel. A la kung mag mibi sasa ya na sa patay. Pakdating namin don. Tin man nya sina bi na di pala pata yun exorcisin pala ng gagawin. Dw is funeral chapel gaga win. Wa. Atana si padr sikia, chang si padar winstone. Nagi exorcise don. So na sumi lip langba na sumi lip. Tas tening na, da pos na la mga yung case, isang isang lawyer, na na possess, ta sexalita na different languages. Sa na mez la mago. Tapos siempre ng nganon ng in invita na ko, sembre tawa tako e. Pater we na ho yoga na max postado. Majjung mata tako tindin na go elung. Du wang nintai, pak da thing sa baga, nya. No, so na gi left na impression ki father si ki ya. Ba may interessa. Kaya nung right after nung inasai na ko, after the parish, di to nasai, na ining bite nyako, dyma la k luma pik sa yin bite nyako intereste da humak ging bugging exources, fabriko, bakitaho, no, uhang sha tahut, kaga jung sae, uh, n di ako wordya par sa mab banal na pari lang ya no? Sabi na many fathers, in naashur sahi, na waga watahot, sindi nan dina na ng trabalto, ndima na tito trabao, trabauto ngjos, mm. Si mama mary, mma angels and saints, si god, nindi y manika we. Ika wa y instrument to la. So, gaga me tilang di nanjo. So siempre bilang pare yindi na man kami, no. Mula ngung worty magin pare. Mm. Kubaga piniliga ngjose, para mgaing dispenser of grace. Wa dising convince na ko dun. Kas nung pinaga na convinsa ko, pak suma mga at magi exorces, mu punta tainang roma, magti training kasa room. A no all expense pain ng dioceses. Maal din pa msay chaka. Maga pa selpa. Yeso. Na budu la patersi. Yun na yung tam pak puma sa ka palan di gana mahaka na pass.

SPEAKER_08 39:20

So lag training kasa room.

SPEAKER_10 39:23

Yun na lat nagbago exorcis during that time, eh. Walana man ba shadung knowledge. Lat galing sa room, pana ymaramina ring nga aara sa room, so we pull our resources dito sa m sa mahida, par magarun na conferences for new exorces. So, aya, nag tari na ka under siki ypadersikia el father winston. Mm. Yun y story nong kya bana pas exorcisi basically parang yin yung samba.

SPEAKER_08 39:50

Galeng, so since 2015, ten years. Eleven years na. 11 years na. So kna sabi kung ng napa nut kita ka Jessica so sabi ko. Parang bago si father per ntagal muna, no? Sabi mwa ndika talaga n pa rang behind the scenes kapala.

SPEAKER_10 40:08

Being the scene la na ka aw lang yang taga nag libro, yun taga taga assis assis. Andan ya si father winstone, no, yan malakin adorit sa na mra mikasi mg bago handing ka maybe first si father si kia i na ka develop palang na mga na mga ways how to protect ourselves and prayers. Yun tra basa mga nabasa, na pa garaalang experience, so dun lat ng gale, no yung parang alam muna.

SPEAKER_08 40:37

Nung before gang exercise. Ma na bang experience na mei ng googul se yo me ng na na atakika ng dimon yung me gan ngabang.

SPEAKER_10 40:47

Hindi yung na atake, pero na ataki yung mga yungga. Yung parishioners ko. Mangataung ni la lap pizza yen. Eanung tayo mi san sa bina natin da jung dilma na tin 19 day yma bagi na tway? Psychological lang yan bha. Right. Ulang lang sa atten chon yang. Ganun lagi ta ymakisipe. Ganun dita mgisip before. Ba nga yoy. Itong ka para m avil mu yung services na visrina, kami mga checklist to do sempre kelang na ming baw me problema ka yu spirituali pupunta kay sa office naamin. Ya lang na mi malama yung bung storia. Para ikaun nk share kasa doctor, ha sa bim mulat ng symptoms, natan raam dama vistori mo. So kailang di mamala mang yung background, no, ani opening mw bakik kan na haras ng evil spirit, no? So ayun di kalangan ishair mo lahat, no, par malama na me. And then yung, yung medical, no, ibi sabingko, we need to zero out yung medical resource, baka etung psychological lang ito. So, khba g yung nak tik y ngano, like yung lag biga y ng pa rang yung doctor na, this is beyond us. Hindi na minto nain dindi dial nindi to under scientific rules or medical rules. Then probably spiritual yans. So gang yung ng eare naosa.

SPEAKER_08 42:01

Na balita father, yung bap pisim of farm nyo orf bina nyangdao ng dimon yo yung ma kasala na na. Ta osa kwarto.

SPEAKER_10 42:10

So pa n yun na under y shak na yung pina ka i ni wa sa na ming ma ka pare ma exources. Pa ma pare ayung bagi exources. Put sa tang ka physically, psychologically sa sa tang ka renda hilipapa hia. So that's why the rule talaga before you go to uh ma confess ka, prepare yourself spiritually, mm no para indika maharas ng ng totun ng demonio. So yung sam case na la la kung a yung yung yung na pina taoga kwa se isang school, na po possess yung sang suja. Parang man in yung jar jaras in demonia. Away mun yon. Yung parataung grasses. Tapos na lily segyumata malak. So pak nating kudun sa sa area na yon, kusang pe pre over. Na la mgaga nya exorcisha ndina manya wila la no, chaka alam inde, parang alam nyaaga, chaka yung aversion ya ta taocha. Tapos sin pang nala magotalaga na authentic. Pang din describe ba man nyak sa na ktira, yung quarto ko diniscri ka ng flora kung nahtira, fula ng pintura, anima lagalaga. Sempre si nyung kong baka alam na hula na ka alam nan, pero sina binya. Kra so ito isang sain ng ta ng demonic possession, ba. Bulsa supernatural strength, marrishang hidden knowledge, na ika o lang la. Sembre yung speaking in different languages. Which is many times uh exorcism na min since we use Latin. Nain tingin, so masa go tho masa go sha. Nain'tin dhanyo sense. Mm ni hindi man lang sari taga ng latin. Misa suma sa gut latin, minsa ng vernacular, yi lista galo. Pero ang nagaka, ang ngaka taka on pointe, no alam nya m nya yung sense, alam ja sab. Alam ying theology. Magari pangas theology, because I mean exorcism prayers, but the lesson. Mga about theology, no? Right. About yung titans. Anyway, yung yin ng yare no nung la encounter kutong tungba ito. Eh ni reveal. Pati yung mg tao na kapaligitsa. Ni revil, yung salana.

SPEAKER_08 44:20

Yung aduto father yung team yo?

SPEAKER_10 44:23

Dina min team aksuli magisa langwa exact. Wow. Atlahat kami zingiwa. Lahat ng na ka paligitsa binol girn lahat ng k salana is security sa mila ta pasalana. Wow. Laha kayaman, no? Oi na no. Alamana mega comedy comedy pa nga rito. Sina biko na sa mga tawasapalig. Bakay makinksina sa bina. The demon is a father of lies, no? Deception lang ya pain di natimatu leito. Father, kang pasita na sita sakata. Sakin la t yung kapinta sa, kali, ng tata pangtapa ngalam, bar duag kana man, tuto nama. Nikta pangtapaang lang se pak yawa ng tapangta bang papa luna tumma. No, tapasung sasabina nya, elama y sa bly father, vinson. Panganashadun sasarita. Kandaan mo. Remember this. Yes. Yan. Yan na totona wasakanye. Pagguma nuna na yan ndimo ya. P k sevi nk set na shana mood, ibixabin, iri reve na nanya yung, isang weakness mo. Yina bag nanamal alamkun ng pak kon festaman oon, prepai da m na kope ng pa yung ta ako no. Para lahat ng anghala t ng pila langko. Bago exource pa' lang. Fara mga two. Para two years palango. Mago, pak to two years palang exources. Pang baptizim five saven. Haling muta uta lagalat, yung nasa mga conferences na me. Yga ng talaga pa kinangabang. Mental block. Mental block. Tabas nung manuna, pero itung. Pak pa na dedihadu kado yung biglam na lang baka rung inspiration na suwa. Bigla kuna na. Yung al me defensive beka nisi matin yung self-preservation. Right. Dabina gay sa tine lord, ba, yung protect ta yu sa realimo. Nung sasabina nya. Tandan mo. Kila na min, alun na mi makasalan mo. Ai, ng nasabina, no? Big revil na. Big laxalita. Bilan na lang. It's inspiration from the Holy Spirit. In the name of Jesus, be quiet. Do not speak. In the name of Jesus. Be still and be quiet. Jita lak salita.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

Wow.

SPEAKER_10 46:32

Asin, andal dang ni na pa basus nya ba bayulit po mura aturu kasira anangya. Right then in deparang nibusal tina pa nyung bibig nya hindi. Kan pak salit. Asin, nabigo, wow, bigo. Nagga, na no, apiko pfect in pa lako. Ya na yun, toing megana raika auto rikamin nganyan. Pak talaga mma inga nama mama hia. Kino kuman kuha gad the name of Jesus. So, hindi telegation exerita. Tas no na ka bayu naolisha. Ayun na koman o. Three hours, three to four hours exactly. Three hours. Yeah, yeah. Father kain uh mwana kung magkumanguna mari yanga mata mina tapas. Uh anos uh pray over. Father, pedipalang ikumal no na mg mag sal? Bagding pogino wanang pisa pa.

SPEAKER_11 47:28

Sigura sa mg sabi ng tawe selpishha father sa gama easing mo talaga, lag panika poi di kuala me gaga nko.

SPEAKER_10 47:38

Learning, learning experience.

SPEAKER_08 47:40

Yeah, a totonang mono pa naonap, kaya mg reveal ng dimo nyo ng. Yeah kasal nama di na dinalam.

SPEAKER_10 47:47

Actually, ng natotuna gko ming ya. Pang prepared katalaga. Alam kung di mo yo fishing lang. Nawa sa bila kasalal nam. Einghi na mya da bak. Ngpa ba sa bina basang ya talaga yung halul wan eh sana tao no? Sigoro, wag mising nabi saa y na kasalana na ngdikinawa. Mm na dil na kung pisalakon. Alamko naxisi na waling lam eto. Parang parang buying time la metong dimonyo na. Kse lat gaga winyye, parang di lang matulu yung yung mga prayers mo, yung commands mo. So ase hi kase he knows what's coming. Dail dail likalistika n dimonyo, dail pari kami nautority kami me faculty kami to exercise. Alam ni na dara ting yung pa no ne ko comand kwe. Hm, na palala layasin sila. And they just obey sabiko beri obijent yung dimonio. Sabinga basa obedient parao dimonio kasa mga parishino.

SPEAKER_08 48:42

Parishy. Pero pa ima patona yan personal padar.

SPEAKER_10 48:47

Sembre. Bilang parish priest. Kilam haba pasen chamo. You need to serve the people, you need to be patient. Um. You need to explain things. Dilan na kasundum, pero sembre kung aluma indirection bilang tata y ng parokya. Kana, kenan talaga.

SPEAKER_08 49:05

Pero parish priest, ka ba. Nindina.

SPEAKER_10 49:09

Seminari forbato na sa San Carlos seminari.

SPEAKER_08 49:11

And bilang uh formators San Carlos father, anin na kitang mung impact ng spiritual warfare. I mean ng exorcism na da pat ma form bang mga te future priests na ma expose na si la sageneto. Ki sidiba parang na wala lato sa form sa ma formation noon.

SPEAKER_10 49:30

Yeah for a time sa iso yin ng church salin na ng uh uh Vatican II pre-Vaticanata no. Sorry. Nung Vatican II, uh parang ni revise yung mga prayers na. Pre-Vatican, karamiha nag prayers me mga exorcistic uh uh parts sama prayers, no? Na ki la t na sapraments. Mm-paisa mas, patisa la. Baptism. Mga yang sa baptisim na lang na e1. Sa confirmation manda ewan, no? Me exorcism parton like yung mga renouncement. Do you reject saita? Father of prison. Yeah, yeah. Ta pos may yung dun exorcism prayer after that. Is this baptism na lang talaga ng yark? Confirmation. Chaka Easter Sun Easter Mass. Easter Vision Mass, Easter Sunday Mass nah.

SPEAKER_05 50:17

Dibba bearung galon.

SPEAKER_10 50:18

Instead of profession of faith. Kara me yang prayer of blessings na den sulidad. Maha baang me exorcise in prayer. But there was a time da yung prayer of St. Michael na salob na mas. Mm. Piny Pop Lyo da 13. Pero da hil nga tung Vatikan to dumating parang. Of course, dumating dinong modern science di ba yung medical, eikara na psychology, we sa na explain di lat nag na mental illness a demonic. Medical d' psychological. So for a time nag flourish nya yung psychology and psychiatry. Aya lang, there are some nakiti walda si mr di ma nara professionals sa t mutulong dy nitu administri, no psychology, psychiatries, counselors. Kara nga y mga baga ying dita y kaya explain science yung medical field. Na they refer it to us. And then yung open-minded tayo belong simbaan, bila. So, open-minded mandaya sa too long nila. Hopoli mga ging open-minded din yung medical field, no na. There are some things that cannot be explained. May ma grey areas, no? Na, we need the help that we can get from each other. Tulungal. So a mentality na min, I think, psycho-spiritual. Psycho-spiritual uh parang healing ang kailangan. So na kaka tulung din kan pa gumaling ka spiritually, no, gagaling din yung iba mung aspect. So ka nun tulung. Ki misang ng ka me sa minisin na hindi na papa galing, no pay prayers la. Kila nga mahin moon na yung ano yung emotions, mga trauma. And talaka it takes time. So we need the help of mga psychiatry, psychologist to help us. Pag nafri na yung yung case doon then gungana na rin yung spiritual or the other way around. Mm-hmm. So mba tulung. Tung kursa seminar yo, ming question na ten tong.

SPEAKER_08 52:06

Um da pat bang ba form mim ma bagung mga future priests na exorcism in spiritual warfare.

SPEAKER_10 52:14

Si la father father si kiya yung team na min, ngbi big kami na modules seminari. So, co ypa di just to tour spiritual theology for so many years, na doing tiers tasa nag tu tour sa seminari. And then uh yeah, ngbi na ngka mi module for exorcism. Ca said, let's be honest, ni mantalgati no tour sa seminari exorcise here. Right. Um. This is something that you will just learn in the ministry. Ka min bag na ginpark, ngpari ka parish priska clueless dine. Tas lat ng mga kapadina mpare, nere refer din sa min yo mga cases nila. Say how they how will they handle to mga possession cases? So we are also here to to share our ministry, yung learning examin sa'anila. Na kung baga hindi lang saa min mga exorcist yung mga cases. Mba wa blessing ngba hai. Tapa sa mga pari nya ordinary ypare, na yung wala faculty, kami kas me faculty kame. Ba y mga advanced cases, kama na. Like kindi delakaya yung possession case. Or toto lungga mi sa pandila. Kas yy kwanti lang exorcist te. Like dito sa manila, ilan lang kame compared to million ng matao dito diba. Right. So kung yung parish pismo, yung na kasa ysa parish, al may know-how tung kol dito, mala bin tulong. Then we're just willing to assist them. Pero pag me mak cases na sila. Dito na la big. So, kana sa semina ri me dila toro, pero dahi recently ng encourage ng santo papa to play y the 14th uh since John Paul II pa. Right. Na lat ng dice sa y magkaron ng exor exorcist. And they will also be trained. So malakin tulung yang sa bishop. No na ying, ba handle din maga ditung cases. So kame bilang sa seminario, bilang formator. Misa n part din ng aming bang formation, like ma conferences on spiritual warfare, exorcism. Paunti yun te, indida mang kasi totally yung na atis main knowledge na sila. Itong mi nitung mini sina mendi to say my tung ning pa lang na gi spirhead ngani to training for priests. And kung kayo na mg big guidance mga future priests. Mgbi na conference. Yeah. Important kise antibo nyo gali ksa pare. Kasi yang pare ang unang muna gali sa kai lord, a mga pare i alter Christus niba. We represent God to people. And kung baga pa mi yun na sa forefront na kalik kaligtasan or spiritual warfare. Ti ba pare kami yun disp dispenser na sacraments. Ng confession, naika wai na layusa jos because of sin, kami yung mga konik uli se yo pa pa bunta kayga god, no to our ministry. Sa confession, then we make the Lord present in the Eucharist. So, I think da hil dito, na kikita ng dimon yo tret talaga angga pare at mga future peace. Right. Ina tapi y ny invocations. Kang konti yang vocations diba. Mga konte, da lagas ng influença ng mundo, secularism, yaa. Mass bi use of the world, secularism. And then ito, na pan singo lang toa, bilang formito, sikoro compare, tain yung kino compare kula lang yung tain no kaminarista, mas mara ming traditional families. Na spa nag family like ma father mga kasama, ye ng ano, mahi rapabuai la mg perfect relationship. Mang ng sasama yang go lang na me. Ka majority kasi dati baw yung. Paramai parang papa sa kwa siminar ta posi sa lang yung parent, mo de ba orang. A baw yun data. Hindi na mgbawal, peroang mas gustun nela yung gali. Boso yung family. Okay. Kara mya ngaapla parent broken galisha broken families. Hindi kasala ng bata. Yungbata mei bhishon. Kaso hindi ring kina ya ng parentsila ng marital problem, karun separation. Khaya na pan sing na min y in pr in recent time, no yung families. Mm raami coming families na hindi bo no? Kwaya misabela ng bigin na talk about marriage, about family. Kasi na lila disa reli, yung mi pa no sa dail mgro sa family to ka. Itoga dail maraming yung. Along maraming sacramental sa no? Sa Roman ritual. Tat no kasing Roman ritual eh? Myang kabing volume volume. Nya yung cordob sa juose al mgay yung. Na yay tabi. Ngpa de link pin remote na me.

SPEAKER_08 56:36

Gusumu ba nang handcrafted crucifix. I want to thank uh brother Iden for sending me this beautiful uh crucifix. Ayan, so na paaganda nito, pedi nyo kang display se nyung ma abahai at altar. And if you want this kind of handcrafted uh crucifix, padin yung message yang page di brother Eden. Word made flesh.

SPEAKER_14 57:00

So ilala geki yung details, uh information details. Yung court of St. Joseph, Sunsha Mass Effective Father.

SPEAKER_10 57:11

Uh Yung Court of St. Joseph, gino wanga is a good thing. Or purity and just original na function yan is for healing kasi yung bad ring kumwanyan. 16th century, cancer na lang ya se devotion by Saint Joseph. Kumwa chang ng cotton cord with seven nuts, the seven joys and sorrows of St. Joseph, tas ni la gang sa m waste, no? Tas king is healing. Kumaling. So ngmaling sa, na ging famous yung sacramental layon, ta pas yung santo papa mis mbina g ng authorization na na uh makaron devotion k Saint Joseph using the word. So nailages a roman ritual of blessings. Wow. Da we may sa it. So kamino nga online prayers kaminila father siya encounter na minito. Pin remote na min during the pandemic. Ma yun purpos ng St. Joseph din a patron of uh purity, purity of heart, the chase Saint Joseph, the chase heart of Saint Joseph. Sama pat namin na aninga. Gina gamitin disha for for for chastity purposes. Sexually tempted, alas ng temptation mo to commit sexual scenes. Yeah, just wear the cord of Saint Joseph, apusu wa wala yung yung mga yung mga tots, yung mga sexual scenes. So, anakatulung talaga shia. So usually it's a waste.

SPEAKER_08 58:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 58:36

Person sa mimeerung kano sabid yung gumamit din non gay moro sa shoulder, a gingagamit for obedience naba. Or the babu obediance. Kasi sincture se, parang hamgungwa e madre, usually gabi mga religious may particular function yung mga sinctures diba. Which is ging na gamit ng sa liturgical yard. Yung ba nama symbolism ng mga vows, divine y mga dominicans and mga francisca liba wea ra salang. So ito i sincture nagina wale sung madre, nagmay rang ng religious significance then, which is devotion to saints. For healing, for uh to fight temptations of sin, of lust, and also for obedience.

SPEAKER_08 59:16

Mga gami buling yan sa courage.

SPEAKER_10 59:18

Yeah actually very effective yan sa rich. No, isas tung m sang sacramental na na pinaga mit kusaga nila, da hil nga diba sex sexaholika nonony mus gama about chastity. So, yun. Uh since the pandemic pinaga mit kusaga nila. Naga ate sila yi pa sa big gumaling tausila sa sapit nila, midang system, midjesi problemsila. Nice. Na nawala, ta no s yun. Isang pinaka sure na sura kwa na very effective talaga. Na korb yung sexual appetite nila.

SPEAKER_03 59:46

Wow.

SPEAKER_10 59:48

Very no, very ano religios, mga deboto yito ni la mama med ni mama berry, saka ni say Joseph. Sigoro for t for the point na alamuna yung sempre su ut mwyane. Parent chastity belt bound wagan. So pak saut mwayan, at aware ka, na, this is a sacred object na halak naha dikit sa gata wan mo out of respect. Sembre ndimugaga we yung sine. Opa ya talagan ta tangelin dino, yung prayer mo pina kingan ni nilord thru Saint Joseph. Tinamgaldin yung mga sexual appetites mo yo, yung mga temptations to sexual scenes. So talagang effective. Hm, bingyongga is happy father so prag effective gang nito we. Namibis kun na yung mga sala, na misku n kasalana. Gisuk mgazaala fai na tangal gonalana weagab salta.

SPEAKER_11 1:00:39

Effective.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:40

Gan nung ka effective noalang pero ng chord sa mga religio store. Say your father.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:54

Na me diri to sa no. Shi na gailang din saal tho. So khoton cord sha? So anisha. Kokin kord lang na ordina sala gin ng na seven nax. Seven. Seven. Seven joys and sorrows of St. Joseph. Okay. Mg baga m me rosary si mama mary, to name yung kay Saint Joseph. So prayers dina da dasalin, parang bawata station or bawa tang. Tasilanga sa iaal lang yang lang y chora. Lagilang counting design. Tas ngila lagilang sha sa ways. Itali mo. Mula. That's my blessing of uh the cord of St. Joseph. Na gang do sa Roman ritual la me, na ina adap na min.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:34

Nan dun bay sa black book ni father.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:36

Wala duny. Sala na pat ng jun ng. Se kan ed shul ma incorporate yon. Kasi mea request nagarito. Wayang meyung kami cases na, shall we say, uh nyang weakness eyung sexual sins, no. So iting pina pasut na me sa kay sa bpina pray over na isha, no.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:53

Na we believe that kusut muto, like may rose ri ka na sa nasa anumo nasa kusamo, na nini wala kana nanditu si mama merika saama na natin. So ito we kasa mobi sa ying yo se. It's just a sacramental tayo mma dipatayam anatayo kate mma devoti, katun ik beri, anatayo visual, uh basa senses, yama sacramental sa. It really helps sating prayer. Nindi na manati, nindi na ditu yung isan, lagita yung ina akus na singasam banati lito sacramentas. There are only means, tools for us to to feel the presence with the Lord, no, to help us in our prayer. But of course, it is God who will listen to our prayers to this sacramental.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:37

Uh, Father, tato ba na dinagavitan demonio on technology like yung demonic text or uh TikTok rituals at online nah too.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:45

Alamo uh of course na nini wala ho ja no, demonio a very powerful, powerful pasa satin, patas na being he can manipulate nature. Dibba nature he can manipulate. Pedi shung magbiga sakit, pedisha mag paulas, pedi shang g mwana ng, anything about nature. N di na kong ta tapa pa na he can also control uh objects, physical objects. Diva me psychic ability na mind over matter, diba. Right. Yung kumagalo y mga puan, yung iba pakgunta ka sa infeste douse, mahante douses. Usually make iba ng yare, na ki flicker yung ila. So imagine flicker ng ila korienti ya, no? Then yung gumagalo objects, he can manipulate it. Kma may authority sha. Dun sa particular and object. Undi map pinag blessha n di y na consecrate o gina gamitito sa uh rusha no authority jan. Yeah, I also believe na he can also he can also oppress us through technology. Technology. Lang best ng nyare, bawa y magaritung shooting. Gatainag bless ng kata nag protection pair in the beginning. Pedding mamin manipulate ng divon predding masira yung mga equipment's not. Yeah. Yeah, if he can do that, uh content sa no, no, he can also use yung yung social media and internet to distribute or to spread yung mga lies or yung use technology to spread information nya. No yung content, nya. No kung nya kung evil content. So na nini ni wala. No maraming experiences kame na ganito, uh ako maraming arin mga demonika sabina te messages na gina gamit ng demonio yung social media pede. Of co.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:27

Parame case ka na ba na na na possess because of online nagdobs, sa sa online ganyan, TikTok, me ganyamba na case ka fa.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:36

Wala ako ng case, per me na ringi ga o one time ina no do ng movie. Sasirin na pa no od. Conjuring. Conjuring. Kasi me, mey no kasi yung ginagambit ng koppol yung fyung an pa la ng koppolean. Ah, okay. Noreen uh waren dafarin.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:52

Waren, waren.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:53

Waren kopolean. Kubagambitin, kasi male ko collaborators na sources. So they also know prayers. As a movie nan dun yung prayers. Silas prayers. Malaikum ba mung mi samana no no od dun, nbin palang mga o press or may mga na attach na demon yo dun samana no no. So mg ti trigger ya. Na trigger. Na si p na trigger na no na enter into possession no during watching the film. That's a possibility, no. So a yon, media ya, na? Pag use of media. Win sepresa media sa bira marame. Dilang sa films, uh TV, no.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:28

How about mob mobile? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:30

Mayang kasi ng anue, pak pina pak tining nan mo if you investigate further. Mma demonic teams. Okay. Mima games. No yi have to be careful, no. So, ndingamina encounter la, like kama, bilang ex horses. Na no no kami ng movies, na horror, titing na namin, what's demonic there and then how quick can explain it to the young people. Uh ndi hadu nagalaro ng games, no, pero data galaroho, andang kin ban singulin naman. Mima demonic teams, kasi mima horror. Survival games and bangod nga horror. If you ask me, better not no watch horror movies. Itong personal big better kasikan kasi nag horror movies like yung mga gumwa na mga yung genre na hor or na mga books, novels o yungga writers ya no inspired them to do this particular story script and da yung images na lubili tao sa mga horror movies. If you think about it, itun yung yung mga na experience amin no sa mga cases na mm like pa ng share sa mang ysa tao bha center dye, dina kita nya jury anun na me nung sa bang activiti sa mdito mi nakita se ga nituga nyan. Na na akata mga monstrous uh figures. Yung di describe mung yang na kita sa yung sa horror. Sa horror movies kung na not ka. Wa. Yung depiction na horror movies di ba mga monstro's bah. Kyndi yang na kita ng mga boka centered eye. So, eto, this is my diory na. Baka, yung mga writers, they got their inspiration doing that. They were able to do the movie and the script and the effects. Sa na ka kita na based on sa inspirations na kita nila. So baba bhi ki kausara do third eye mo, pero you're watching sa lenses ng isanta on na boka center eye. So, yun ng personal opinion ko, no. That's what I know. A no pa ba. Diva second is ng or movie, usually ang na lagin nananaru sa war movies yung sa mae.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:23

Pina pata yung par.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:24

Paginam, pak ng pagna naalo yung maboutes, di na kata ko sa uh lugika so di yung baya diba. Yang no war movies par mata. Pero yinga, ni wasa natin, angang exorcissi mindi na mguru kata tahota. Right. Kaya kamina na zilidi to sa exorcisi him. Kase na nini ni wala kamina uhita na me pa no guma la wanjos. It's all about God's love, you know, God's plan for you, which is good for you. God doesn't want you to suffer the effects of your sin, you know? Misery. So gusun ngjos mabuy ta ng ma ayo. Saga magata ting ta se hebben. If we will only follow his will, is. Unfortunately, ng yare kaya ng yaridun sakes na de masakla. Misery yung ng yar sakadeh because of the openings. Ma yun pa yun ng intention ng demonio, lat ng kata tako ta nhat ng masakit lat ng masama, pedi mg yar sa yo. And if yo dwell too much on this genre, this culture, mga horror, diba, alang anduba masgus mas kun mas interested kabas sa mga nakakata kot, mga mga masa sakit, or m mga alamana na yung mga bagi na hindi gali sa jos. Oh m kas kon cer ka sa mga bagi na gali sa jos, which is goodness, beauty. Na diba. Yun yung anu ying da pat nati ngita chaka y mata o na na iti yung message ng ministry na minsa spiritual war. To see the the presence of God more rather than the dev. Kaya misa na pak bibin ta mga me, mga exorcis in a sensationalization. Ding a yun yung intention na minh. A yung anami nyang ano. Hmm. Kung baga gusunami. Kami mga weakness. This is how God delivers person from from misery, from fear, from whatever. Kaya wo hung tata ng na hung. Better not to to watch horror movies. Kung no not gang horror movies, uh sugoro, be sure lang that your faith is founded. Na alamuna, God always wins in the end, nindi yung masa maang nani. Hindi yapanta yung good and evil. Ang good laging, of course, God is the praetor, God is good, God is love. And the the evil is only a preacher, no? The devil is only a creature. And the devil can only aq, no, if God allows. Everything that the devil does, God knows. Everything that the devil does, God allows. Pero ang message ng mga horror movies, chakato mga modern ideologies. Uh. Good and e good and evil are equal. Yeah. Pano equal yung creator sa preacher. Right. So hindi ganon. So the reality in our faith, no, in general, we believe God is God is there more powerful. A kte ngata lulang a sa demon yo. Saint Michael. Nga kat. St. Michael is a fellow angel, no? Low ranking angel. Second to the last rank Saint Michael, archangel lang several. Say Lucifer. So we sa seraphim. First degree, ka yang pride yung. Nata do ka ng lower rank. Naging na ging leader of the angelic. Sama ta laiko yun na sataa. So, pride tinaman, pero mas matinde. Mammao mer. Na si mama meri, pero young angel, na taalo, yung pinaka high ranking. Kasi nga. Mama Mary became the queen of angels. Amen. Queen of heaven and earth. Aya ying very effective na weapon against the devil in spiritual warfare is the rosary. Amen. The more you pray the rosary, ndi bandaming hail Mary nun. When you speak about the Hail Mary, you you speak about the dogma of the incarnation. Kata wong ta o njos through the Blessed Virgin Mary. At yun yung yin yung reason bat nagribeld n dimon yo. No? Kayasen na wala sa graja ngjos. Kaya ayun. So in this, it's no contest. Angab ng dimon yung, si God uh masmata a saanya. I gusung aanya maging gaddi ba. Ka so aya no, masa mang lob ng dimonyo, yung prai gatinama. Tru Michael in mama bedi. Right. Uh mika payandin tain talunin ng dimonio, if you are in the side of God. Satiology parang se sabil in wulit, yung guardian angel na din, which is the lowest rank of angel, is higher than Jucipper or the highest ranking demon.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:41

Wow, wow.

SPEAKER_10 1:11:42

Kasi, wala nasila sa podern ni, nah. Laura sa podern. Dasa preternatural world nasila, so lower nasila. Uh-huh. Das yung guardian angel na tin na supposed to be ayo gawin ng di ng fallen angel yun traba ng guardian angel ka se god, pagling koranyi magata, org pata yn sila. Mm wa this munu dung diba I will serve sabi ng guarga angels. Ayung nila yung mababang trabalhaho yun yung maging guardian angel. Ndina mana t nditay must matasa guardian angel, of course, mata mataasi na the guardian angels are assigned to us to serve us, no, to to guide us, to protect us. So y sa binga nila padri piyu di pa, padri pi rak sabina, he can also ask the guardian angel or guardian angels for favors. Da ipa da la mm guardian angel msa iban tao to help them, no? Because a supernatural run, it transcends pace and time. Young basically hindi to wan na mata asan demonio, no? For fantasy lies, never.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:43

Aparang yinando lang nag Hollywood, no?

SPEAKER_10 1:12:45

Tapo sa iba mnarin ik pao ye, sa na kiniga ksa mga toksin na mga mga American ex sources. Pagdao ikaw i baptize binya gangga, no? Dika dapat ngao natatako sa demonio, dapat n demonio a, mata kot, sayo dahiel, you're already baptized, no? You're already the the gates of heaven is already open to you. You are kubaga may connection kana kai god. Kaya da pat takot nya sila. Pero ng dina man sadahil magigi my hapang kana, mata kot se yo. But we respect the devil, no? Bada man any, we respect them. Kase make a pang yar yan sila, higit pasatin. Pero pagika alam muna ng ka ang lakas moygaling kay lord, we' connected ka ki god to the angels in the saints, mama. So, dun ngga galing yung confidence muna, la balan yung masama, ndiga payding matalo, as long as you are in that side. Right. Pag wala ka na tsa side na yon. Kayaga devil, they will na tanoi, ta ugdito. They will na attack you directly. Hmm, ang pinaka effective dilang attack yi background. They just they are in the shadows. Pagmahina na fate mo a na convince kan nila na to sinwawala ka sa grasu ngos. Pag na walaga sa grasul ng josag na sa state of sin ka kunta waginate yo commit a mortal sin, then you're you're the devil already has the authority to oppress you. So, yon mga bagain na gano, no.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:09

So, na ba li ta guna pina kaw na kakao ta kase mod mei connection sa spirit spirit of the glass father.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:15

Yun yung first experience kwang exorcise yung na di pawa exorcise, yon nan d pao sa. Ah, dika pa exorcise na. Na kata bot sa kung ikaw i first time mung encounter to kay si gor sa palong yung pak nya experience kim naka ta hot parin. Kasi na witness ko no, yung yga na pay to na res in detail. Pero yung si guri maa, uli ting kula yungga size nag possession kasita. Da encounter kwa. Una yung sa possession, supernatural strike nan dun. May sang baba y na possessed because spirit of the glass. Eh, li makaming ta we, dino tulak naamin shye, pin na papa sa knam sa church, bad dinami matula. Limang tao, tatlung lalakid dala wung baba e. Tay, sam baba ret, tat nung lalaki ako yung pa la pat nala lah. Tulak naam sa k chyba.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:59

Baba yung.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:59

Yun ting tulak nami yung possess person. Baba. Pari pray over salobda simba. At yung baba yung possess, mali it lang. Oh. Dina m yung paso. Dito ng natin yung. So dito nalang naming gawin salabasa simba. So that's uh the person na supernatural strength possess one. Yung the the evil spirit or the possessed person can read your thoughts.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:22

Mm.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:22

Nung yung a finisher ko, alam ng dimon yo yung weakness. Ko. Si no ba la man na kung baga samagala la pihan ay. Pag me magandam baba, e maganda handi ba.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:33

Right.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:34

Eh, baganda yg baba e kasing na possessin. Sabi kasin ng kine pray over koto, habiko. Ngga da na man neto, ng nasa isit ko. But tuna posis, hwawa na manto, saang na posis. Bakit anang reason se goro, dail sabigo. Yiba isweli pa bina yang ka ng kaganda ha n ishu na bakit kama de depress or bakit ka. Paringat da hinga because of spirit of the glass. They surrender their real. Na pasu kancha ng dimonio. So bullera bolcha, mia rasha opeeling. Na pasu wa chan dimonio. Albi ng nina y se diba ng hina yaga pag ng ta onsa na man, na ba may sakitito or na bakin na gagan itito. So n allda wen ng ni sidko yon hama pinepre o birko. A ng demonyo naga na gaganda babae. At yung mismo yung yung baba e mismo. Na hindi ni ya kontrolla dung katawanya. Na dati yung matanya na hindi kusa san direction no? Hindi sa makakita sa n dire. So, bika kutin di gang ng babae. Atem tinginya ng sedactive. Mm al mone but seductive. Tapos bighasha na tangal ng dabei bak ta tangal, untio tikin natanga yin tamya kanda. Bog nyunghaya n mega win sha, no, wa nyung mabute, no?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:46

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:46

So to the point na dasala nan dasal. Kasi na. Sigoro he wants she wanted to prevent me to to continue my prayers. Right. Stop nyao. Bi nung ganun nga ting kopa, na pasa nya isa yung ngana sa isi ko. Nun puna na kasangwa commands yung seductive stare na ging death stare na. So parang parang is trying to rah harmina during the prayer. So pinaha wa kola lang sakanina. And then during the commands na. So yung yung isang pa la gong sain no, yung bleeding secret knowledge parang able to read you. Right. So laging violent na sha. To the point na yung naka sikura sa tang prayer. Naka naka anasha na tang na naka link tasha sa gras na me. Mm baka malinya puma sa churchal sa church. Church doaminik pray over. Ngla awa lasas, biglasen tu malun. Tumanasha tumanin sa dito sa no sa maypyu na. Eh. Tina lunya ganun. Tapus yung i chura ng katawanya. Pana alama y hopa do movies na deform. Mm yung position yung hindi bali. Panung nagaw position. So something something weird, no talaga yung. So sabi gang pisa biko. D dismiss kuna to psychological ng pisa. Belo dito tomasa layalata mbalahibo. Tapus ngun y na nami sa, tumanun sa sa next pew. Ni laktawa ying mga puws. So parakaming habnagabulan parakaming asutpusa do salo than church. Wow. Tapus ito d. Toma ta luncha, na balance nya is talaga ngadu clawless in balance. Lagi ng landing na paanya tisu sa pew. Laktao laktao lag sha. Wow. Disa to meeting in sagrao. Lag isha na katingin sa tas. Kusan sa sha la katingin. So y da balance na mi parang balance ng po sa nti nagaland la gisapi. Habang naabu naamishan ngda dasala wa dasalong dasalangas na na corner naamisha lay baba na misha. Tina tina dadnala na mish ng raamin prayers. Mga ilang waras din kamino. Nandil sigor dail dasa sa t nash sa prayers. Nakano nasumi gosha ng malas malaasla. Tapos yin na wala se malay. A no sigur ma mga thirti minuts ngwala ng malay. Sa bang wala sha tina g mimbagulang nya parasunduing sha. Sa church. Hm ba nin mamadalik aru da y ng yari.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:24

So Afternoon wala na ng follow up.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:26

Wala ng follow up. Atasabi sa g ng friend ya na na teachers copit dynamic school nag parch. Kase kaya shen ngbun tal dito sa church dail anun nya poe. Din m nga kila pe alam y ng mama sa kosa sa school. Pa we na kasisila from tagita. Tak spirit of the glasses. Mga enjoy sa na sila. Ksi trat sila napapa ta yindao sila lang la. So i ng win na lausila. Along the way, pawe iha tinsigur sa bay, da da anang yun church ko. So al boklak ng madalika rao, tina ng paga kudun. So butinalaban numa basakotabokya. Apagon baga naha na gonito, twa l bablak mara top. Basic ko, ba me mama mata yo bakama kilaman basbasan. Hm alama ng pak pari yon yung importante. Right. So, yin pak boko s ko shangha, ta wasabigo, pa de tulong yung pakami kay big na po possess. What ti pina so kasiba. Aung huling memory dung baba y ng na ka updata almust sa da yungo yung yung pabay, yung pi yung na possess, yung di pinagda selenate, yung friend bo. Sabi nya, okay na rao, ang huling memory da winya i yunic spirit of the glassila so ta gaita. Basi. Part. Which is that those are the size na authentic possession to. Hm. Kasi basin na yan sa experience kubi exource. Lat ng manifestation, at chaka yo opin, sa nito do sa na to.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:49

Uh, mas na kata kabang case nagim mu pa naak kwento publicly, father.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:53

Hm pa ng aba. Halus sa isuali yung pina ka ultimate kasa possession, y no?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:58

Mm.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:59

Mga cases na me na atawot possession, ta la ga. Kasi nya because of those signs so. Na weedless na m. Sigur yung anulang, yung mga mga oppressions. Mga simple oppressions la. Na talagang anure, no? Parang ta tas ni nyung balahibu mo or. Singur main tain na sembre ginaga n kang fara nan dimon because of pure work. Nung bago exhorces. Before kung matangap yung o yung letter of appointment. Na kulung wag sa banyun na parsi. Pwento kwa naata yunga. Ya na rinita wang. Mismo sa seminari na tos. High school seminari na. Pag pasakuna ki bagungba wing gate na miko ng gata mi ja nyung bahalle. Bumak sakya na tangal mismus sa bisagra. Wow. Bagung geit. Ba ndi nila y na no. In the kinul wilt. Ba gumba. Bagungba wing gait. Buma ksa misma. Like paglam pas na paglamp pas kula ng. Bung sap klang klang staragin na king ka naget. Ka ben. Habigo tapos. Ng dimonio. Welcome to the minist. Ya pina sap mo, yanang bw ying buay mo yung pa nag oppression, b damika oppression. Rasabiang. Yin na ng mga yga win ng dimonyo. Too much fear can be an opening, no. So na. Sho manship show manya ni parang ksi yung. Pada ni. Mga bapalaghan, par matahot ka parama discari chika. Because of the wisdom of mga mga veteran exhorse dito, we already know how to protect ourselves. And then magtiwala hai lord. So, pa kin tretang demonio, di masulan noka mgdasal, masala ng mba la pisa j. Ka yung yung kinaga galit ng dimonio. Dimonio nagasila, pero kimisa gana gamit pasila ni lord for a person to to be close to yang. To save na to save uh to save these people oppressed by the devil. And walang mgwa yang dimonio dun. Lasila mismo ay gina gamet ngjose. Mm so lashang ku. Payasha talagang nage rebend disjose. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:00

Pakating mut tumata saang kis ng oppression, possessions, dito sa Filipinas, kumpara date. Nga yun po father.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:07

Oppression yung extra attacks ng dimonio, no, pedia mw sakit, pedi yang uh supernatural, like yeah na kaka encounter ta ng mga paranormal activities. Uh marami pa ng ipa no, yung effect ng oppression. Bakitu madame, uh. Isang reason, number one reason bisa narinik ko, no, uh mga survice na men. Yung oko kol practices.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:33

So must ta jiga aware na mga Pilipino.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:36

Oh, ta mga Pilipino kasi kasi diba Asian country ta yo. Damina ting pama yin, damina tik superstitions.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:43

Hmm.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:43

Iba lat na aata na superstitions Chinese mga pa mahiin mga iba ti bangga. Bok pa sa mga Pilipino pamahi na tin. Na pa da. Nengita y aware na kala natin, okay lamp pa. Okay, yon lang ka wendo. Pero yung bala opening pala yon.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:00

Right.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:01

Puntasa yea.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:02

Albulari.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:03

Bulario mgahula, kasinga diba we're using na we. Parang yang yung mga powers, mga abilities, na yang accessible. Na itung mga abilities na to supposed to be. Parasi jos lang na. Bakit mgailang malam yung future. Only God knows the future. Right. Dibang maganda magtiwala na la se jos, uh, entrust everything to the Lord. And God who knows everything and knows what is best for you. So he will give it to you. Just trust him. But kailang pa malaba yung future. Nunggawe. Bat kailang mg pumunta dun sa mga me jum s na magi pak communicates uh mga patay. Kasi ni sit mo yung yung relative mo ba.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:42

Dima matahimi.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:43

Dimatahimi, di pa shal wala pa sa sa peaceful place, yung pa vengeful spirit or pa me guso kalang di malaman, sa banda kata guiung pol, yung. Or ananda. Closure, no. Kasi di ba tayo pak nama matayan, for example, dhin tras everything to the dwarf, no? Correct. That's the reality. Ma ki lang ngbuay natin, nag na pa mahal man tai sakanila, at nami mis nati sila. So yungga to to fight peace is to let go, no? To let go and let God do everything. So the fact na we are parang trying to know to mga abilities to mg bagay ngida patati mala man. Parang is seen against the first commandment, no? Kilam pang guma mit ng, like say, I don't know, witchcraft or these occult practices, just to have access to that that ability that's not supposed to be inherent to us. Yunung yung gawa ngimo nyo, liba. Mga demon yo, they want to be God, no? So they have these powers beyond the human. And then ito yung temptation nila sa aate, no?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:57

Iba kasu mung gumaling instant healing di puntabas mungagamo. Right. Pero dipa you need to go to the doctor first. Because mung makar ng spiritual healing, kung katoliko ka kristiano, ka why not go to a priest or no to receive the sacraments first before na yung sa na ng dina natik auction yung ko practices natin. Pang natangga yung spiritual hindrance ng kagaling ka na pisicali. So sa na una hin nat. Yungga ng yung purpose ng ministry na toi.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:30

Right. And na bang kit mokanina din na nat papangan. Mei mga parang talents nagalin sa dimon yon nay nila ma wala diba me maga nanga fatat. Na because of third eye.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:39

Yung third eye, no, a se aye kasi na bi eye. Ksa kin pa it's only uh ability to see what we cannot see or see uh evil spirits. Technically speaking, kwa wag meyang ka third eye, bukas yung senses mo sa preternatural world. Mm-sa di batayo, italangita ako. Right. Tula lang yung natural world. Itulang yung rule we don't have to tamper to the other realms. Hindi taipe mag tamper sa preternatural world. At pak nat tamper ka jan, mabu buk san yung yung connection mo, dun sa world layon, at yung world layon, y mga able spirit, they can they can uh contaminate you, they can they can give you powers. So na ka la natin, yung powers galing gay god, peran di palaga. Minsa nyma powers ilamini bigay na paang seemingly galing kay god life. Parang gift of feeling. Bagmang gift of feeling ka ba si guradu kang galing gay gad yung healing. Of course. Paganda na man intention mo no, manga gamat ka usu mula ng man magpagaling magatulung lang na man ba sa mang tao, di boto karin nag nasare no, pero ng pagalinka, parenty mo alam yung power na pak papaga galing mo, emina mu pasa mga ni nuno mo na mata yung ealer na lolo mo lola mo, ika wanapal na. Nukanap pagaling. Ya napung hindi galin ki gad yung power na yon. Mei kapalit la gian no? Kasi ngin nagbi bigy ng libre yang dimonyo. Atang paybak masbatinde. Isher yon lang sayon na? Sure, sure. Yung di lang naman yung sense na kakakita kae. Mara ming psychic abiliti. Na my third eye. Ang ka nyang power. Bog sana ka kita swana spirit. Ang ability nga isin disha na wa wala ngera. Na? Zi magang s a business.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:27

Wa.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:27

Alang yung yung proper decision, alung yung right decision sa business. Marun sa buma za na tao, marunha bumaza na situation, disha na wa wala ngera. Wow. So that's that's a very advantageous ability, no?

SPEAKER_11 1:28:39

Kelang yang mi. We are very tempting di ba.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:43

Oh. Oh. So the awesha, aware shakwa. Alamya, alam ya, di discuss ko payama sha lumma pizza. I close na third ayimo. Ayo dinya. Base pa kin no shin third diam. Ma wa wala yon. Yung power nya, for example, eh? Bishana wanan pera, lag shame pera, may business business. Pero ate yung payback. Yeah. Ng business yung na accident. In danger of death, no. Accident asint talagang Mamama tain na. Per nabuha. Pero with some difficulty, oppression.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:20

That's one.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:21

Pangal wa la sang wa sang family na ma ayos. Malam sha yung anap. Pang. Magami pa na nap At marami sha na game partners yunga. Meren di mga oppresson within the family. And naami pa gba sigoro n di lang yana na saabisa ginha. Pero ay su, kumai payback yan. Ultimate payback is, of course, damnation di pay. Right, right. Uh sa mundo, italagang iki feel ka ng dimon yon ng mga material na bagay. Uh, mga talents, no, skills. Hollywood, maraming ganyan. Isang isang form di nyan. So sati o whole practices. Iba yung turn na ngbi ben ta ng kal los dimon yo. They will be given fame, power, pero may expiration. Pang na expire na yan, pay back time, no? So ayun. Kaya my makilalako, mara mirin nahong kilalana na, dinis kasko na topuksa pa na tin. But they cannot really ask. Baka pay ding hindi na lang yun, no?

SPEAKER_08 1:30:24

Dini la ma surrender yun. Advantage.

SPEAKER_10 1:30:28

Worldly advantage na le. That's how convincing the devil is.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:31

Ka it na no press nasila, father? Yeah. Pait mama mataina?

SPEAKER_10 1:30:35

Oh gana, yung sis na accident. Yeah I hope. No, bilagal salko one day. Magising sa senses. Ma wala hai power mo wala yung worldly advantages mo, pero you live a natural life. Right. Uh where wa uh how God designed design it, no? And God does good will also give you more than what the devil gives, no? But demon assurance na ma wala lat ng suffering mo di ba or bik naha yo wan. We meditate on the passion of Christ. And if you're one with the Lord, we're also one with the suffering. And then that's the natural way of life. That's the natural tendency that we have to partake, no? Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:16

And then resurrection yung reward, which is case possession because yungama dalina ma dimon yo kasi mga end times na me gangba.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:30

Only God knows the end times But may possibility ka se lahat na man redirect it to the Lord. Sabingani ni Lord's gospel. Only the Father knows the future. Only the father knows and can give you the reward, not asked, no? Be rangabaga. Ka yndimo nyo, nanini wala kona. Meyra silang glimpse of the future. Mm-ka ng bima mang hula, no? Sigoro me nga power sila. At na la rama nila future. Meeron ting sila ng glimpse of the future. Mero ang sina sabe lagi na sa discussions na mein kalga exources. Yung alam ng dimon yo, hindi exak. Parang malabo. Parang glimpses lang. They cannot see towards them. Only God knows. In di nila na. All do dati merg si lang kitaag na full knowledge, duba. Lad la angels may full knowledge. Yuna difference satin sa mga angels. Ta yung meron ta yung will and consent. Ang dimon yung may will and consent. Pero meran di sa lang full knowledge. Kato la na mga angels. So na sa side kanigat, maring mas malino yung anuna yon yung. Concept na yung full knowledge. Kasi, you're kung na nukha. Alam, you're servant of God, no? You work for God, you're connected kado. But sasabin parin nan ni sabi ni lord, sabin mga sabin na mga say only God knows the future. So yi demon yo alam t. Pari yung end ndini la alam kong kaila nyo ni. Sigoro na ka ka sense dila baga yung alam nila, yung glimpse dila, malapit na yung yung coming, the second coming of Christ. Which is, ng an chai li sa mgati mga katholiko, mga chrishano. Kai tindi krishano, ka yindi katholiko diba. Uh, you're you should always be prepared. Okay. Na ting is pin yung and tla g da pat lagikam nasa gracian ng jose. Na state of grace. Kma go an tama. No, hindi dahi because of the fear that you will only be faithful to the door. That because you love the Lord, no, na ugdan perfect contrition di ba. Dimasak of contration sinasabya.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:31

Tama.

SPEAKER_10 1:33:32

I I want to be with you, Lord, not only because I fear the loss of heaven and the pains of heaven, but because I love you, oh Lord. So, nandup patayo dun sa pat of maturity sa fate. So, yeah, pero naga katunung yan ka gibasa uh church mata yung alo eschatology, yung the last days. Kung alamun na lahat ma ge en ka that may second coming, at me rung punishment. Magbabagu si guri outlook musa bhuhai. No, na kasi kung. Diga na nini wala nay reward in punishment at de no. Kika gaga wa ng ng tama, ndiga mgbba bagung buay no.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:09

Tama.

SPEAKER_10 1:34:10

Yung mga kurab, katuli pa rangdan na. A la nila forever tung bul domita. Mgwai. Magwa baga s dito. Pero kung mä no ka concept nag afterlife. Yeah. At na ka experience kan near death experience. At na experience mg baka yung kal lomo hindi safe na mata ya. Mgbaba gungbu aye. Ba ng is pin mwai. Ba rang na mo. 60 years sixty years na life's pa na man sabisa baywo. 70 for those who are strong. Ibi sa bi yung temporari lang top r yung. Pang na matay ta yo, atin di na mama ta yo kalul lua. So ipik sa bing kung hebenta yo, di sweetin natin. Kung hil tayo, forever gana doon. So yun ng concept na yung. Ta ya da patbinit also to think about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:34:52

Woli, pa na hung par mg confession. Right, right. So yin yung tayo ta yung tai pina palala natin yung mga mgha patin natin na sapana ng palata y na kailang mga kumpisa la tits once a mont. Once a month, ta yung mgga nominal catholics tingang ko konfess, or once a year, which is yung yung minimum requirement no confession, pero antapat ai once a month, or twice a month, or if kailang mg konfess kula nagul you committed mortal sins, no. Nga grave sins. Because only sin can disconnect you to the grace of God. The best protection against the devil in the spiritual warfare is state of grace. If you're connected to God, you're in the state of grace, you're protected from the attacks of the devil. Sabi la gina me di discuss. Na, you pi na ka powerful na witch, na may pi na ka powerful na sumpa. Indi yan tata lapsa isantaun na state of grace.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:46

Amen. Tata al boog lang dun nya sa.

SPEAKER_10 1:35:48

Ya nung reason, no, because of exorcism, because of paganism in during the time the olden times, ancient times, no, the early church. Mana mina converts uh sa catholicism, no yung pagano.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:01

Hmm.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:02

Kasi yung apagano, mi mga wish krapya. Sempre yung expert kamijan. So we want to hurt others. So lahat na hurt nila sa mga curses nila. No, parandin la kaya sa pta nyung Kristiano. They are baptized, they are in the state of grace. So kaytupi na ka powerfulness m pain di tumata labdug sa wow. Sa no sa kristiano.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:21

Hm.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:22

Isabi ng mga witch mga witches. No? Mga pagan witches. Ibik sa bein sa la kas ng power natin. Inferior pa rin tayo dut sa just nga kristiano.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:33

Mm.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:33

So bik sabin may m higher power pa. So ngari mga witches na convert sa kristianisa. Amen. Ng pabin nag zila, yung iba pa na gimpari. At yung mga pari na yon, yung pari ng sa eastern church pa.

SPEAKER_13 1:36:46

Mm.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:47

Yung prayers na gina wani father Winston, day like R. Father Winston ng about the Eastern Church. Lahat ng pari sa Eastern Church, a exorcise. At yung mga prayers nag exorcism about witchcraft. Galing yang sa Eastern Church. Atiun mga Eastern fathers na dun na kungwa ng pray s na yun. That si lag witches. Ki nan vert nila yung ka de la mga purses into exorcism wits. Oh, wow. Pian ng dun yung lahat ng mga mg trade secrets na mga witches. Ka b. Na na kasu la exorcism prayers na Eastern Church. Na, of course, we consider the Eastern Church, kasi mga dare galing dis apostolic line, ya no? Na per powerful, no, yung mga exorcism prayers na to. So, na ging mga santo sila, no? Mga former pagan. So d ditu rin tayun naga ka karo na conversion, ka na pa ka important yung yung catholic doctrine natin about this. Good and evil, yung protection, the sacraments, the power of the sacraments, and sacramentals. So, nira recognize nirian. Alam ng mung mga niyan. Kai si guring mga boka centered, yung mga. Okole practitioners. Diva yindi la mga pagaling yung isang taung mei sake. Sample manga gambukka. Lamabit ka na lang sa ybang albulari yo was powerful pa yon. No, kasinga yung yung nag inflick ng sickness, dun sa isang ta, oung din la mga pagale. Kasi smasbalaga sho alas nun. Yesu sa kan nila mas inferior yung alas nila, na, if you know what I mean. At pawala na talag yang resort, la put k nawi simbahan, an kim pare dun, yung si, sila mga pag pa galing na. Sa yun ng bisa de na, everything is under the power of God. No, so yun nung miyarun tayo. We're blessed because of that.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:27

Right. Overspiritualizing do yung ment yung mental health issue na tok moton ko sa depression versus demonic obsession. So pa na natin to idi distinguish ng tama father.

SPEAKER_10 1:38:38

May tendency nga na kung baga yung ma interpret ta na overspiritualize. Kasi kami nga kami mga exorcis kase, itin traba na me nun.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:49

Diagnosis dogana.

SPEAKER_10 1:38:50

Ng diagnosis na min na spiritual. So kung na kita nam sa diagnosi naam, this is spiritual, dh spiritual to. Kung psychological, pasam, me lung, at me psychological, no. N'di na mga namam sa sa bing spiritual lito. Kasi alam di namin yung alam di namin yung ano yung findings na, this is beyond spiritual. This is scientific, this is medical or psychological. So we refer them to the doctor, no. Pero ngga, bearung kasiing anue, kamin na nini wala, no? Lal na veteran exources. Kapa kin nclud mwa sina i tong kaisa to ay psychological la. Hindi to spiritual. Psychological lat ng psychologika science nan ditu we. Then you dismiss it. Yuna, so yuna mgustan dimonio, no na. Kasei mans na concluded na psychological n to, ndina gma papa ilama ng pare. M'dina oma papa ilama na simba, so baggi piesta na sano, no. So, na kalik tasha.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:48

Right.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:48

Pero game, la gikaming lagi na mi tini e ting nan, na kai psychological to, kasinga anwe, meron tung spiritual opening pa, no, me spiritual opening ito. So, pasambal psychological me tools sila. Amiang tools na meen. Hayato na ginga nito, daheil limdito ngdada sal, meru sa mak good practices, merus ma traumatic experiences. Pak da ng sa traumatic kasi. Like traumatic experiences, sa gayo too much fear, no? Near death experience or abuse. Da nini wala kami na opening dinito. It yung ping ankhor, piya yung dimonyo a la natili do. Once kabing anamin, kung di mum ma patawa yo isanta o, or yun sasarili mo, ma la natili yung dimonyo man na naka staja. Ang dimon yo na man kase ang affect nan dimonyo saate spiritual. Hindi nan pisik uh ndi pisikale no. Uh ang I think no, pa yang spiritual block. Pag na tangal yung spiritual block, yung pisical, aigumagale. So yung yung yung yung effect ng. Kaya ang role na min is uh yung lahat ng opening o kwa yisa naka angkor yung dimony yung gusunami tangalin.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:58

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10 1:40:58

Say sao. So I think walang issue sa mim mga exorsi regarding this. A se open ngga me sa science though. And then we also we're open also talaga no na ti realize na hindi lahat ngbaga spiritual. Uh pero dinamika dini dismission yung fak na lang yang mental health issue.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:20

Walang an yan.

SPEAKER_10 1:41:21

Pero ka ming mga anne, ma y mga ways kame to know disease spiritual or uh psychological.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:28

Pero my case kana na kalam talaga mental health issue, pero talagang na later on a la man yung demonic anu palato.

SPEAKER_10 1:41:36

Ngdikuna mga alala la sa dami ng cases na min. Pero um yeah, umbre pagme rang demonic flap. Is this yung na yun na? Yun na yung clear signs. Saka mga opening, se, yun na clear signs.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:50

Ba sa history taking, yun.

SPEAKER_10 1:41:53

Pero yung isang opening na nakikita na min na naksu share kamila ge dun di the psychologist, yung a yung trauma and fear. Too much fear, trauma, and forgiveness uh usually do on na gi stay. So, tunung talaga. Kaya sabiko, ng dealang da pat spiritual healing. Sai spiritual healing. Ya da pat mg ya re doon. So yung mga no ng tung pandemic tail liba andaming trauma. Yeah, trauma, depression. Depression, oh. Among young people. Kasi yung mga young people, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:24

Yang to yang spain di ba yung yung 21 na yutanesia dao at the age of twenty-one, dail depressya. Na kalung kot.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:33

Pero se mba diba yung eutanasia. Eutanasia is uh it's a sin, no, against the the teaching of the church. Right. And only God has the right to life because life came from God, only God has the authority. Satan euthanasia is a sin against the first fifth commandment, no. So it's a clear sign uh there might there's an there's a demonic influence behind this law. Obviously, yung, isantao, for example, uh coming terms uh ministry yung obsession. Obsession is parang mental oppression yun, parang mental diabolical control. Isang symptom yung parang depression, then like uh voices in the head, yung siya sabi na wala lungasa ngai. So dail maramika ng sinafer, no? The only way to liberate yourself is to take one's life, no, to end your suffering. Yeah, demonic. Yung voices na ganyan, di ba despair, uh sin against the Holy Spirit, na, there's still hope, pero you don't want to want to get that hope from the Lord. As long as we live. Parang yung yung parang voicing the head, if you want to hurt other people, those who are hurting you, the best way to hurt them is to take your life. They will have guilt because yung dail nakaga rung guilt that responsible to mgatao, hito. Right. Dunghagan. So ting in mob, yung voices na yon. So that's a clear sign demonic. So psychological yung voice in the heat, peri yung essence nung, kahulugana mga voice, despair, hurting others, no, and um parang to the guise of finding rest and peace is to end suffering. It's very non-Christian. Part ng boy nat yung cause. We can discern, no. Making making kita morang pa no gwala laun demonio gito sa mga bagay naito.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:42

Yeah. And Father Mabalita is paging formator must future seminar. Any ting mung demonic temptation parasi rain ang uh future priests name?

SPEAKER_10 1:44:52

Bara ming uh temptations, of course. No, we are uh parang we are we are forming future priests that they will have the virtue of pa subidan si no, simplicity, poverty, di baik sa msa mgabuz dame. Yeah poverty, uh simple lifestyle, no kait me rung means no to live a comfortable life. Pag na gin parika, ndima wawala y maraimung bibisin regalo, na dahila tuluga musila, mging genero sila sayo, pa pamper kanila. Para kwa wala gang control about yung worldly things, no, yung pampering oneself, at wala kan ni mana develop yung virtue na poverty and simplicity and depending on the Lord in all things. Baka yung na misusus mga mga gifts, mga material gifts yon na ta. Instrument. Dispenser, no, koni na tangap mo, share bosa ipa dispens kong meetim of saministem. Hindi saluho, no. So sad to say, wem din mga mga tag simba la nga leaders of the church. So hindi lang sakato lig debab pati rit sa ibang sekta, lagang they were tempted to that, no. So that's why gapag sim na rista pa la teating din nam tin eating dan tin eating nan din nami yung kung pa pa nmodina dale sa realimo, kumpa noha maki pak deals mga tu mutulos ewa benefactors. Mm simnarista siempre. Wala ng means, no? Mm. Uh how you how you use your gifts, being a good steward, not only for yourself, but for for charity also to serve God. So that's one, no? Uh second yung vao na me ng uh silipasi, which is uh the virtue of chastity, of Saint Joseph, no? Saint Joseph as the model of fatherhood, the model of Hasba, the protector of the church. So sempre, ngatak ring yang tai ataka ki yung mga pare at yung mga future peace, no so temptations of sins. Da la yung sexual sins, sins of lust. Sempre kame pi we try our best, no, uh yung to liba celebrate life because you are married to the church. You have you are committed to the church, you give your life to the church. So family para yung to take care of the greater family, the church. Pero siempre pagda ding yang, it sa sa mga sin sacrifice ngabe sexual faculties. Right. Sexual faculties should only be for married people. So pagwala kasa context na marriage hindi pwe de. Masturbation, unfaithfulness, mga adultery, prostitution, and so on and so forth. Yung future priests can also be exposed to this, no? Kosa binga e ang dimon yo yon, ano y na gi invest sa sexual sins. Temptation so sexual sins. Kasa y ng pina ka madale, ad pi naka effective, kasi ta'ol lang tayo, we are governed by our corporeal weakness, our the flesh, sins of the flesh. Atang isang mean reason, na rinikusa isa exorcis napari denos America, Father Carlos Martins, uh, ma ying speaker na men. Sabin yan na ang dimonio ganit ki God number one. Gan ni sa sa tao pasi there's a faculty that God and man has something in common. And that means we are co-creators of God, no? Right. Through the sexual faculty. Iting bagin indika yung gawin ng dimonio, yung mag creat ng life, mag create ng bukhai. So, dail gali sa sa creator at gali sasata wana created in the image and likeness of God, at says, ang sexual faculty to use it rightly, is in the context of marriage. Ang temptation and demonio sexual, no? Pornography, the rise of pornography. And then about prostitution, Father Carlos Martins adultery, kaita no tara ng pornography, and then you ak on it, you you are bonding kita na wagata wa kis nabi nya. You're bonding with that person, that prostitute, no? That's being that's very solid. That's that's very terrifying, no? So diba pak sa sacramino paris, you are bonding with your wife or your husband as co-creators of God, no? Pero diba gina, dinisent demonio, la n tao gumaga.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:32

Normal, no.

SPEAKER_10 1:49:33

So in the the the faculty, the sexual faculty, a kung baga sing sira nan demonio, king those sexual sins and temptation. I think we're also prone to that, no? So we mg vows na peilangan namin ting nan. Kasi pagnak ordeen, kay yung kasab bishop mo. Vows so poverty, simplicity, vows of chastity. So ina atakid deno, of course, we just about pride, pag me pride ka most of the time dika you will not get along with other people. Seminar yung dipeding magim parika makisa. You live in a community kila mung makisa makatala kay di. So ganunden, pag ngimpari ka, you will of course uh you will respect your bishop, no, you will vow to your bishop to obey the bishop. So, yung baus nsa pak kapapari yung y na tahi nan dimoyi.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:32

Ya ntatlong yun. N'tatlong yon. Apa na father komi yung seminarian me SSA ganon.

SPEAKER_10 1:50:40

That's a good question. SSA. Sin sa ko exposed the ministry na to, at dun sa aming documents, racho fundamentalis, yung uh document for seminary formation. Si yang sa biding criteria, na. Hindi ma orden isang seminarista la gusungpare, kum meyang shang deep-seated homosexuality. Pak sa na bimung deep-seated homosexuality, ibi sa bi here, he cannot let go of the homosexual lifestyle. Uh he's engaged in the sexual activities, homosexual acts. Pangalawa, uh he also fights the church for the teachings of the church. No, again, uh about homosexuality. No, kasi dwey rang ta yung mga LGBT ideology. Yeah, sad to say, even within the church uh groups naiba, me mga conservative, bai liberal, mear dingyan na muna. But we still have the khati kiss mm the Catholic Church di bain di na mg bina bagwa yan tradition. Why not accept it? The church is uh is compassionate la lungo na so persons with same-sess attraction. Persa mga mgpapa re no, um pak deep seated kai like yang di mg malet gung a yung homosexual lifestyle mo and then yung ideologies. And then yeah, kung hindi mo makaye big sarili mo for that. Ndiga da pat ba ordin. Otherwise pag ng gim parika, yin yung itu turumu mo. Right. Uh t yun din ng parang possible na, shall we say, hopulin nat, mga scandal. So wa yon uh kasala ng kse elam na manate ng homosexual acins. Bao kasalana ng bang homosexual orientation, yung mey rang ka safe sex attraction. Sasabin kung di yang kasalana. Kase aktuali ka yaka na gingga nyang, da yk kasalan ng nag iban ta o bakit kanga girl. Kaga nya. SSA. So kung me ron ka SSA y no? Yung homosexual orientation ka atang weakness mo uh yung ya yung yung SS. Yung la la ki ka mg papari ka me yung ang attraction ma dun sa same sex, no. Pero hindi ka na mg practicy, uh tindi kaya mw nama man yung yung me capacity ka for celebacy, no? Kasi me rang ka virtue. Na develop yung virtue of self-control and also the virtue of chastity. Na kayit me temptation, you will be able to to handle it. Then why not? No? Pedi ka mg ba ordain, no? Kung nakita na mga pare, na mga formators, na me capacity for that, you can be ordained. Pero kung hindi na wawa la yun sabi ka y deep-seated homosexuality, then you cannot be ordained. Yun na mga sasabi ko. Mm-hmm, yeah, ako n balaking struggle dito se bre ba pen may vocation ka gsu mg pare. Kung ba ksu mgpare you need to uh you need to cooperate with the church. Cooperate with the seminary and the seminary formation.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:29

Si nabi mo father na beauty is a weapon sa laba sa demonya sa ma musa muse cart mo.

SPEAKER_10 1:53:35

Na nini wala yung beauty, but yung uh uh if it's from God, no uh God wants what is good for us, what is beautiful, and everything opposite uh about God is uh it's devil, no? Misery, yung division, distraction, and uh other stuff opposite to God. So yung yung fruits of discernment. So yung beauty in terms of sacred art, it really helps. Sample gumwaga nag is art, like mosaic art or icon of uh Jesus as the as a teacher ng tongok rator. Wait sa tang sacred heart. Nga ng art na. Nanap agenda, na yung churan jius para naging it, naging yi usa psa te na vara ram dama y presenha nan jo. So in prayer, we don't worship tung mga images tato, but those images help us to pray. Kasi we are reminded of God because God is a source of beauty, God is a source of life. And you can see the beauty and life in the in this uh artwork, sacred art, then it serves the purpose. So, yeah, malaking malaking too long, naka tulong talagayo, no, na saating pala ng palata ya, mag malapix. And then yung mung artworks na min. Usually yung art ko musi kasi lagau la ko s traditional sa Eastern art community ya kana asign, religious art community. So, yung principles na minga pawana nag art, it's not it's not subjective. Sample yung Western art di bayo. Abstract, for example, m ng kang pintura, different paints, sabong mwsa canvas, kas la game mwang mga marks ng kamayimo, that was how you arrange it. So, ready art, no? Abstract art. Or some mg naganda sa colors, yang combination, that's subjective expression it. Nang center gasin ng art mo is man. Uh, is the self, no? Pero n lahat ng art uh eastern, like icon making, mosaic making. Ang center nag art moi, and pay chod na art ma. The center of the art is God. So God is the one who inspires you to do it. And then uh yung we use as an expression that this comes from God. We use organic materials. We don't use artificial as much as possible. Sabos kasi art yung ki God more beautiful, it's lasting. Yung man bing. Right. So yung expression ng art na ginagwa msa simban. Kasi date, mg magwa ng art, mga pare, mga moka. Mm-hmg mga danay mga professionals na.

SPEAKER_13 1:56:12

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10 1:56:13

Okay lang na yungba sa faithful kun sa symbolism. But uh yun, the art is the product of prayer. So yun the more you pray, the more this art will appeal to you and you will focus more on God rather than yourself. So yung yung purpose nag ng.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:28

Yeah ng prayer. And father, uhip ng perfor ng deliverance sabai ho online na lay people. So delicado po bain.

SPEAKER_10 1:56:38

Deliverance prayers.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:39

Yeah. May ma kila la o lay na kumagawa ng deliverance kan yon.

SPEAKER_10 1:56:48

And we abide by the rules of the church. Me rung a ta yung uh classi ng prayers as uh deliverance ministry, no? Yung on y exorcism prayer. Exorcism kase uh the word exorcism came from the Latin word exorcisare meaning to cast out the devil, to pass out evil spirits in the name of God. Catholic term, kya yung mga protestant, they don't choose exorcism, gabitila deliverance. So exorcism is for priests, ka say we command the devil in the first person, because we are alter Christus. We command the first person. I cast in the name of Jesus, I cast out, no, I yung to I. I cast you out. Then yung yung, yung exorcism prayer, may dalawang class, major and the minor exorcism. Yung major Latin bishops, successor of apostles, so major prayers. But yung bishops, na nindi la kaya gawing yung exorcism or wala rien silan time, they appoint priests to do that. Yung kame, yung exorcist me faculty. Ta pos yung isadamang form of uh prayer n spiritual warfare is deliverance, called deliverance prayer. Deliverance prayer is pa sa lay persons, no? So ysa lay persons, basa alamung rule na. You don't drive out able spirit in the first person, but in the in the third person. Ng dasaltayo, no, para intercessori. Lord Jesus, no, I ask you to drive out all able spirit in this person, in this place without using the imperative I. I command you. So, yon yung deliverance prayer. So yung Catholic deliverance prayer, can drive out away evil spirit, no, using yung yung liturgical rules, no. And very effective. Both uh ndi lang deliverance prayer, chaka exorcism prayer, ndi kuuma sa sabi na yung exorcism na major prayer, na paras exorcisia par sa bishop. Imas mata aspa, kasa major exorcism sa deliverance prayer. Kasi sa totola, and papalize ng mana ib spirit yindi na man kami. C Lord. C Lord. Maleng bagong pusamboli ka, mas malakas yung fate masap, at ng deliverance prayer ka. Awuna yaaap mi fa kulti mahi na man fate ko, ng da salako, sempre kung yung pinapingani lord yung prayer. Yung prayer kuba yung prayer mo. Pag pinapani lord yung prayer bada il mas malaka sung fate mo. Hmm. And masa saabinati na hindi hindi sila mas walang hierarchy dusa pray. Kasi it's the Lord who drives out evil spirit, not the person.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:35

Hmm.

SPEAKER_10 1:59:35

An pa gagay balang na binda li kami yung exhorces. Kami yung inata san na paalang yung mapaga. Mas mara me kaming doha, maram nalam na mining rules, kasi legal si legalistic dinang demon yo. So divat sa Bible me na dikta yon na. Ngpapalayas na lang spiritu, abit yung ngalan ni cristo. Yeah. Tapus ino press sha. It's in the Bible, eh? Nas uh acts of the apostle, I think. No, because they are not one with uh with the Lord, no. Kung baga they command le sabin demonio don't have any authority over me. So, sana diagnyario. Pera yung deliverance prayer, ang right, parandi gma bugboog, uh we should humbly ask God to intervene. Not us commanding the able spirit to leave in the name of Jesus Christ, but ask God and the angels in the saints to help us intercede in our prayer for the deliverance of this person or this place. Yeah. So, yun ng masasabi kodon no. So, I encourage the people pray deliverance prayer. I encourage that they know more about spiritual warfare to minister.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:44

But stata mg prayer lang yung babasa yen in the yung pang exorcist.

SPEAKER_10 2:00:48

Oh, like yung book ni father zikyato.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:52

Right.

SPEAKER_10 2:00:52

So, ng d salin lat ng prayers dito sa book nato. Pediung dasalin lat mg lang yung poopli yo. Kasi yung popli yun da 13th na exorcise in prayers four priests.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:04

Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_10 2:01:04

So they use the the first person.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:08

And Father Mara mip kila lang nabi biktima naga fake exorcist. So ni mga red flag na pedinilam la man. Makita dito.

SPEAKER_10 2:01:16

Wel kung ang kasa me raami kasg priests, like meron si lang karism for for uh liberation and deliverance. So like uh mayhi mga healing priests. Kasi usually is uh charismatic community usually. Nunga la pa yung ministry ng exorcism papa lays and mg charismatic priests, merending priests with gifts, no healing at like papa lays and mga ibi spirits mga bay bahai. But the first thing you have to ask if you really want to uh to get a priest who you think an exorcist, no, uh authorized by the church to do these things, ta ng nating kung you're an uh do you have faculty from the bishop, no? Nah ikawa sang exorcist. Sabi kung ang isang pare, paramagi exorcists. Yun nan ng na pailang. Faculty. Pagula faculty hindi ka masasabi exorcis. So, anokala mg pedi musabi na deliberance minister or priest who knows how to pray deliverance prayers. For example la go exorcist sa ko, no lag ara la go nag exorcisms uh saroma at dito risa Pilipinas. Tabos meita yung na hindi na ring yun ng cardinal yung aki faculty, ndi nabo exorcistes. Pagwana na bang faculty o yg na expire faculty kata sindia ho n ring yun nag bishop, ndina wa exorcis priests. Pero me rang no how to exorcise. I know the rules. Pedi na gong ano, priests who can also pray minor exorcism, nindi yung major. No, I can still exorcise, but minor exorcism mg pedagogamite, not the major ones. So, angul kasi natin dito, because the devil is also legalistic. Right. So, a yon. Yun yung masasabinatin to know that yung you are dealing with an exorcist priest. Kumer sa fahuti coming from Miss Bishop, period.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:07

And Father, before we wrap up, may sang question dito. Do you have experiences exorcising non-Catholics, Christian, Muslims, Buddhists, and other religion?

SPEAKER_10 2:03:16

Wala pao experience regarding that. Mala mis mga pati exorcist, we're able to encounter it. No, talk diocese, ma prubim sharp. So, me no experience na kwa convert. No, k nahi they witness the power of God through exorcism. Na hindi, ganon na mantalaga ng yara. Nahindi na pa galing ng ibang sekta, na convert. Ako personally wala pa kung na encounter na ganon. Baka kasi day hindi di na kogan no expose sa magaparishon sen na sa seminari la ko. Pero mara mik encounter dito sa ministri na encounter na meng sampo yung isang masawa, meiko pol, yisa katoliko yu sa nde.

SPEAKER_05 2:03:55

Mm.

SPEAKER_10 2:03:55

Tapos yun mga ganonon. Yin yung complexity na mga iba na cases. Nan kung yma cases na men no idikula na ala la da j soba mina. Mano kabing bangga mga good anwe, mga mga good stories, na mga success stories from this from the mix of exources.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:13

Ya.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:13

Ang curious sa mang mga seminar yan saba na na opress or na kasu na possession na na encounter ka? Wela yogung sabi pa ba it can happen.

SPEAKER_10 2:04:25

And I heard it happen and I was a witness. Who? Mearun talaga? Sabingwa dibagalit ang demon yu sa mga pare.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:32

At sa mga. Ani na ging opening ng father.

SPEAKER_10 2:04:34

Kanan denta yung practices. Mei kila la kosin na ristangwe nag blood kompa. Na blood consecration. So immediately na karun sha na. Nak karun sha naga abiliti na wala sha date.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:50

Mm.

SPEAKER_10 2:04:50

Disha magaling sa music, bilaswingaling. Maling sha bilas sports. Mgay bang ability na. Kalang may payback. Mei kamaling. So may naka touch dun sabata, at dun sa family d na something like that. No sa wa na kinabang. So nakarun din nag oppression or possession, I don't I cannot remember. Uh marame, uh, bilang Pilippino y na rabi na kasita yo ocult practices, superstitious practices. So yun yung opening madalas dato sa Pilipinas. Na hindi rin ling tas yungga mga pare. Pero, granted, na mgpa parika, and you're you should be exposed on this on this kind of teaching, this literature about spiritual warfare, then yun uh you should be prevented from doing it. Scandalous nga di bamba isit na, yatonga, misa nya me mga pare, me pa pare na. Sa na rin misma me mga full practices. Kasi nabi na la mgultura nga sa mga magula mwa. Na ide. Pero we're hoping na since papa rika piraga a ral nil la to seminario, that people not sin against the first commandment, then yun da pat.

SPEAKER_08 2:05:57

Thank you for the father. And bakit nyo mal pa ging catholik ma.

SPEAKER_10 2:06:01

Malko, mal bhahi kumal bay.

SPEAKER_08 2:06:03

Bahi mg mal pa ging catholik ma.

SPEAKER_10 2:06:05

Malkon pa yung catholiko daheil wuna muna uhana sa yung palpa mal ng josat yang respalko bilang sampare, no, to to serve the church, no, to serve the Catholic Church. Malkong pa ging catholiko ko dail malko si Cristo, no? Mal kong simbaha. And uh major consolation is that I am being an agent, an instrument of God's mercy and God's grace to the people I serve. So there's nothing more that you could ask for, no? Same dung wito is to to be uh an instrument, a dispenser of God's grace. Be lang sung pare.

SPEAKER_08 2:06:41

Catholiko. Amen. And thank you. Uh and suguru follow-up question. So, sa pa giging catholic m na kita mm authority l talagana simba bilang exorcist, no father.

SPEAKER_10 2:06:52

Kaming mga exorcists, we are the ones who live the uh the teachings of the church and the promises of the Lord, no? And the power of God, we are witnesses.

SPEAKER_13 2:07:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:07:08

So may mg aspects na hindi exa na na we witness ma ka pati naming pare. And we are in the forefront of this.

SPEAKER_08 2:07:17

Amen.

SPEAKER_10 2:07:17

Kaya sigoro, akwa msa sabi kui pa yang exorcesis kun la kin too long sa ka pari kwe. Kumeeron man nagoma minis tin na although ayon na mga pare itung minis na the unknown because of powers that can harm us. The more y ey witness, the more eyewitness about the power of God. And ng na yung yung kadin na pa da gati pinagu usa pa, no. And you want to be, shall we say, a witness, the one who will tell people na. You should not should not fear the devil as long as you're connected to God, no? So you only fear if you are not connected to the Lord. And we witness it, na kita naamin sa makaises a mga tao. Sabuko bilang parina. Pagindi ya ko connected ki gad ya 100% na kumb baga. Kayal la ba na yung mama sa ma. But uh more than kata takotan sanangga amin sah, yung a yung pagma mahal sa yun nan jos, yung the good things that God is in store for it, no, because God is love. So we focus more on that rather than the the harm that the devil can bring to us.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:08:22

Pagnawala yung connection mai god, at yung bibbi key sa yunigat. Pagma mahal ya di mulum matangga. Yun dun ka malungko.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:29

Ya.

SPEAKER_10 2:08:30

Kesa yung malung kot kadail no pres kadantimon yo.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:33

Right. And father ediba kaka open lang nitung St. Michael's Center for Liberation and Exorcism. So wa ning magiging future na tong uh center na to father.

SPEAKER_10 2:08:43

Well um di pa na min alam kase, ng pa fangsun la kabi before pa to yen no? But na nanab booksa nito, we're expecting na mi kami masa serve itusa dito sa.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:56

First in Southeast Asia, na, first in Asia.

SPEAKER_10 2:08:58

I think we're going to train more priests, not only metromanila, but in different dioceses in sabbansana, no. I think na sa 250 to 300 na siguro mig sources. Beerong pa mga darat, berung pa mga bago. Mga bago, la mga bata mpare na naga express mga exorcis da kung maramina eden siguro, mero kabing way no to to change the mentality of the people about spiritual warfare na instead na fun tasa mga o cult practices.

SPEAKER_08 2:09:30

Albulari yang.

SPEAKER_10 2:09:30

Na munan nila yung sacraments na te, no? Amen. Anointing of the sick, confession, and the eucharist. And then itong exorcism i nan dito para tulu wan y matao nika tilu wanyya sa rilin nila. Kasa pa compromise ka your will and your consent is compromised. Then dito papas kwa exorcisi. Na ming kwa ara chyoso y mga kapatinami paare, y mga parish priests, la luna, na mgaal dinang exorcisium. Not because magi ging exorcisi sila, but because there are things that they can do without the presence of the exorcist. Ma nami ta mpagling kuran. And then sa na makatulung y ma experience sashi share na m dito parain taslok sa kanila, nag consolation mo a mgatu lung at maglik tas na mga parishioners mga kapatid nating mga kishal. A na pa ba. No, ng. A yung nito sa center. Center, oh, ndi lang sunggorsa bansa latin and other parts of the world then. Sangami mga speakers coming from the states, dba. Yung English speaking, at this nga apunta dito. Asi accessible to na iba, pero must yung mga English speakers masa ng mgina pa if uh they come here. Wow. Kasi yung iba kasi yung ng di English speaker, of course. Uh yeah, ma irape. Ki may ya mang ka me training sa romi international. Me different languages done.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_10 2:10:48

Nay baba lang namin yung na y ting diana natin dito.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:10:52

Then yun yung sikura. Magiging deacon of uh shall you say hope and uh paraang knowledge and information to and skill paras future resources. Mm-hmm. Pray over. Although schedule.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:10

Pray over.

SPEAKER_10 2:11:11

Yung spiritual problems or mga case of oppression and possession. Ah, okay. They can also uh para look for a case officer and schedule the praying. Because assignments, then y mm case officer, they will conduct the priest.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:32

Pana mg schedule ng is officer.

SPEAKER_10 2:11:40

I yung page dies of manila or text versus persons don't sila. Okay. So uh parishes niolala arch dice of manila, yung parish pis nyo alam how to contact.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 2:11:56

And they can they should also recommend na sellarin. Then they schedule a schedule it with us. And then yung case officers will inform us. And we'll come here to free over them.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:12:20

Without schedule, right. They can put yung blessings then. Ah, yung sacramentals. Ah, okay. They can place their sacramentals here, uh drop off pick up. Then pagnandito a me will bless them using our item, they just pick it up.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:48

Nice. So you can just contact the office.

SPEAKER_10 2:13:06

Uh uh. So yeah, and uh last recourse na na big to samen. Kasi na we're talking about malas or parang oppression, it's a lugar na to. Out of this bird, same, to gun yung na lang office to nax or si. Parang na yung parang ng tagala ilang years in the making na rin te. Like na kasa yin paho dito, itun yung in a word saming lupaho san pakay yang exorcisi building Sigoro let's say ba pre-pandemic pa idon ng 2017 pa to in the making to given to us by our former bishop, cardinal chito tagle, tapos. A yung ng dami ring uh parang hindrances para mapata yuto.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:49

Oh mga oppression, ban, father?

SPEAKER_10 2:13:53

I believe so. Boko sa n mga ano mga paranormal things sa nga yarudito, yang yang yung na i pit kasa mga yung yang sa mga requirements, pa pata yung meet. So many. So many uh.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:07

Na na katem magred tape, na?

SPEAKER_10 2:14:10

Pero dahil ndinga hami na dawalga binis. Oh. Sita gana na lang na mi magantai.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:16

Uh.

SPEAKER_10 2:14:17

At long last. Na na na na na begin kabbi na permits uh yan chaga na blessing the cardinal no febrar.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:23

Yeah. So happy. Kasi uh parang bwahi nabuha yang spiritual warfare and deliverance exorcisms Pilipinas. No, Father.

SPEAKER_09 2:14:33

That's true.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:33

Yes. And Father, thank you so much na pa kaka kata on ito. Uh I'm sure na maramika ming I'm and dami kuna tototo nan sayo at n dami mung shiner na mga uh very liberating and informa information sa tin la luna sa uh mosaic sa exorcism and sa carri. And uh saying Joseph then. Yeah. Yeah. And Father, some some ma curious pano ni la peding i falo yung sa mosaic art mob or pano si la yung. Interested sila sa.

SPEAKER_11 2:15:15

Sure, father.

SPEAKER_08 2:15:19

Pano si la pedi magging quarse yung. Dika pa open.

SPEAKER_10 2:15:25

Papa gwa y mga pa sa church nila. Paga in the future, who knows, no, pungga meeting tiny lord, no, as an instrument also to support the church financially by also to create jobs, no? Sempre I'm passing the technology yung uh yung yung artistry sa mga tap uh interested dito. Da l n mga religious artists, mga person religious. Kase nature na mina religious. So nindi kamik mga na secular art, religio artang icons in mosaic artworks based uh icons. My hands are full for y mgina gwana mg ma projects. Pagmaramina su guru ng students, then probably we'll open workshops, we can offer workshops, musique workshops.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:16:23

And patina nin icon making ma areal dikabina icons and magpaint maga.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:30

Okay, father. So looking forward, young father, and thank you so much. And boa bagotay magtapos.

SPEAKER_09 2:16:41

Standard. You use the sure use the uh protection triggers from the book of Father Jossi, uh cleansing trigger.

SPEAKER_10 2:16:51

In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Like Father, we thank you for the many blessings that uh we receive from you unworthy as we are, yes, especially in this uh ministry, uh social media ministry, uh, for the opportunity to share your word and our ministry regarding spiritual warfare to help our brothers and sisters and those who are being oppressed. So we thank you, Lord, for this opportunity. Now we ask you to as we drive away all evil spirit through information to our uh the spiritual authority that you have given us. We ask you now to feel the empty spaces left by the spirit to not allow this evil spirit to return. But may we always uh feel the warmth and the presence of the Holy Spirit, your divine presence in our lives, uh in the lives of our families and friends, as well as in our work in all our possessions. Fill us, Lord, with your presence, love and protection. Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, and by the power of the Holy Spirit, we pray that the cleansing power of the precious blood of your Son come upon us right now. Purify us and wash us clean with the blood of Jesus from the top of our heads down to the very souls of our feet. Let this blood penetrate the very marrow of our bones to cleanse us from any entanglement from whatever spirit we have come in contact with during the course of our intercession. Anoint us with the gifts of the Holy Spirit and refresh our body, soul, and spirit, and may the sign of your holy cross drive away the Holy Spirit from us in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:33

Amen. Thank you so much, Father Eugene David. Thank you for the opportunity. Father Adrian Mila here and today in invite kohayo na mag na aking supporters group dito sa aking ka faith community dito sa ating online evangelization na ginagawa. Pedi ka yung um maging supporters through Patreon. Sa Patreon dito ilalage ko yung mga face to face kung interview Ad mga online interview at makaka rung kayo ng unedited early access dito. Sa Patreon ang unique dito pating face-to-face interview I upload natin chan na unedited. Par maka join kayo, na ilalage ko yung link dito somware here or sa description kump pa nko y maka ma maka join sa ting supporters sa Patreon. And sa YouTube mas lower cost yung ba baya aran nya dito. Pero maka run ding kaina early access dito sa YouTube bag na ging supporters ku kayo. Dito sa mis mung YouTube channel nagi member kay dito. Ay makakarung kaina access sa mga online interview. Ayan mis mung live interview ma access niya for members only. Pero mekachi din sa YouTube. Kung after kunang ma edit yung face to face kung interview, bago khosha y upload sa YouTube, ay makakaron ng access yung for members only. Ayan so si guru mga one day ahead or five hours ahead. Ma papado jukagad yung interview ni yon, bago kosha yi upload sa public. Par ma ma kajo join kesi sa YouTube, bilang supporters, ay merung button chance baba ng bi junato ko sa and pedin yung iklik para magi members ka yudito sa YouTube. Sigur marami nk tata ng Adrian, kalakba laat ng content mwai libre ba kit mi supporters. Dibami ba edjan, sa Patreon at sa YouTube. Yes, ta ma puha yo. Marami poko nari na encounter na man bag nag mi message kusi la peding ma pa no junaging interview ko. After kuma announs kun nyya na interview ko si father chadri perger, so marami na puh kaga nagahana na. Pero impossibly puna tin magewa yon. So kilam pu nating edit yan pa gandahin. Bago nati upload sa ating platforms, ating nag social media platform. So sa mata ng gustung gusto, atak na tat ng maka pa nood ng early access and edited, aina upload kusha sa pe Patreon at sa YouTube. So pedin yun shang mapanood jan. Yun yung benefit non, kuntalagang gusun shang mapanood ka gan. Pero indilang yun ngkatch. Pag nagi member ka yun ng ating supporters group, ay matutulung an nyun ko. Tito sating online evangelization na ginagawa. Yes, librri nyun shang na ku konsum sating YouTube channel at sa mai pa pang anating ma social media platform. Pero tandam pun natin yung gina gamit natin sa mg software, yung cameras, and yung time, yung amin yung yung effort, po puntana natin yungges, ayindi pul lipri yan. Diva sa pa na hong nyun na mal narin ng gas. Amin pa masahe aniting na bini bigain natis mages, ay mekos pul hat ng yan. So pak nagin member pu kayo nabi supporters ku kayo. Ayy matuto lung nanyo ko, dito sa ating gina gwa ng online evangelization, at magigi gim part pa kayo. Nggi nagawa naten. At sobrang ng ng papa salamba tako. In advance, kung kayo ay magde decide. Na maging ating mga. Ng supporters dito sa ating online evangelization na ginaga wa. And alam na man natin na etong laba na to is a spiritual battle. Na dito sa online na dami na ma fake news, ma maling balita, maling information, dito sa social media, enilal la bana natin, etong ma diabolic influence to for giving you a solid Catholic content. Na na interview natin, na nating ma guest. Itag dasal nyo, itag pray nyo, kung ka yu baytiata o di Lord, na mga ging supporters ko. Dito sa ating ka feit community. And kung walaka na mang capacity na maging supporters ko. Ay shen pray yung dasal mo ay enaf na para saken. Please pray pray for me and for this ministry. Na patulin nating tung magawa. Kaya ma ka fate. Kung gustun yo pung maging part ng ating supporters group. Ah iklik nyo lang yung link sa Patreon at yung button dito sa YouTube.

SPEAKER_15 2:23:52

So thank you and God bless.